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Re:Can We Still Recover the Right to Be Left Alone? by alganet on Wednesday April 23, 2025 @02:23PM (#43775121)
Not an internet trick, it's an old empathy tale.

Would you want that done to you? Simple question. Not rethorical.

It's not my premise. Do you accept your own premise? That you can't have that right.

Re:Can We Still Recover the Right to Be Left Alone? by kelseyfrog on Wednesday April 23, 2025 @02:42PM (#43775338)
It's a category error. Wanting it or not wanting it isn't even on my mind. I simply don't care. It doesn't bother me.
Re:Can We Still Recover the Right to Be Left Alone? by alganet on Wednesday April 23, 2025 @02:45PM (#43775362)
So you would, in fact, volunteer. You are leaning into it. It doesn't bother, right? Why not declare that you volunteer?

Do you want me to leave you alone? Or can I keep investigating the real you?

Re:Can We Still Recover the Right to Be Left Alone? by kelseyfrog on Wednesday April 23, 2025 @02:50PM (#43775418)
Bro, Take a breath. You aren't going to gotcha me. It's a bad look.
Re:Can We Still Recover the Right to Be Left Alone? by alganet on Wednesday April 23, 2025 @03:01PM (#43775533)
It's a hypothetical.

I already collected your volunteership for The Seer. It will watch you, not me.

Don't worry. If you abandon technology, people around you still use it, and The Seer will be there, lightly probing you.

Re:Can We Still Recover the Right to Be Left Alone? by kelseyfrog on Wednesday April 23, 2025 @03:12PM (#43775661)
Thank you for the theatrical antagonism. It's fun, but unfortunately it's not a serious counterargument.
Re:Can We Still Recover the Right to Be Left Alone? by alganet on Wednesday April 23, 2025 @03:36PM (#43775879)
I made a simple question. You evaded it (wanting to be left alone).

We are not in an argument. We are in a social interaction that leads you to slowly lean towards agreeing with me. There is no escape.

There is no answer you can give. If you agree that people should have the right to be left alone, then you were wrong. If you don't agree, then you volunteer. If you agree but don't volunteer, you are tyrannical (you want rights for you but not for others). If you just leave, that signals you want to be left alone.

We are not in an argument.

Re:Can We Still Recover the Right to Be Left Alone? by kelseyfrog on Wednesday April 23, 2025 @03:45PM (#43775946)
This is less a conversation and more a one-man play where you read both parts. Bravo, but no.

Why don't you get curious instead? It's one of the site guidelines after all. Community trust and goodwill is the most precious thing we have here. Why throw it away?

Re:Can We Still Recover the Right to Be Left Alone? by alganet on Wednesday April 23, 2025 @03:56PM (#43776037)
I am fighting for your rights and giving you a chance to not be eternally surveiled.

That is the most profound expression of community trust someone can hope to achieve.

All you need to do is say that were wrong, or that you volunteer. It's an act, theatrical or not, of empathy.

Instead, you prefer to pretend that you are right. That no one is going to surveil anyway, and there is no point conceding to a random member of the community. It would be a personal shame for your image after all. You would lose what you perceive to be as an argument, on the internet. You can't do that, right? Your ego is more important than defending personal rights.