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Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by danielmarkbruce on Monday April 21, 2025 @06:52PM (#43757383)
This is just a bad match to the capabilities. What you are actually looking for is analysis, similar in nature to what a data scientist may do.

The deep research capabilities are much better suited to more qualitative research / aggregation.

Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by lucyjojo on Monday April 21, 2025 @07:28PM (#43757596)
First person that makes a good exact aggregation AI will make so much money...

Precise aggregation is what so many juniors do in so many fields of work it's not even funny...

Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by pton_xd on Monday April 21, 2025 @07:01PM (#43757447)
> The deep research capabilities are much better suited to more qualitative research / aggregation.

Unfortunately sentiment analysis like "Tell me how you feel about how many players the NFL has" is just way less useful than: "Tell me how many players the NFL has."

Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by johnnyanmac on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @01:27AM (#43759307)
If AI Can't look up and read a chart, why would I trust it with any real aggregation?
Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by netghost on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @02:26AM (#43759560)
Because AI is weird and does some things really well, and some things poorly. The terrible/exciting/weird part is figuring out which is which.
Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by oytis on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @03:18AM (#43759809)
So it's not doing well in things that we can verify/measure, but sure it's doing much better in things we can't measure - except we can't measure them, so we have no idea about how well it is doing actually. The most impressive feature of LLMs stays its ability to impress.
Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by danielmarkbruce on Wednesday April 23, 2025 @10:06PM (#43778640)
Yup. Like humans.
Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by oytis on Thursday April 24, 2025 @01:27PM (#43785235)
At least in a liberal society humans matter. Their opinions, judgements, tastes matter. Why should "opinion" (which is not even a real opinion) of a machine matter?

Not to say that we validate whether to trust an opinion of a human expert by them being able to deliver measurably correct judgements, the same thing LLM seem to be not good at.

Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by danielmarkbruce on Friday April 25, 2025 @05:24PM (#43798675)
You can't measure the results of your legal advice in most cases. There are all manner of things we can't measure well. We don't throw up our hands and say "then forget it". We do our best with the anecdotes and move forward.
Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by southernplaces7 on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @04:31AM (#43760136)
Your logic is.... strange...

Because it failed miserably at a very simple task of looking through some scattered charts, the human asking should blame themselves for this basic failure and trust it to do better with much harder and more specialized tasks?

Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by MyPasswordSucks on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @10:08AM (#43762372)
I think you might as well be saying "robotics fail miserably at the very simple task of jogging around the block, so why should we trust the field to be able to accurately place millions of transistors within a 25cm square of silicon?"

His point is that the two tasks are very different at their core, and deep research is better at teasing out an accurate "fuzzy" answer from a swamp of interrelated data, and a data scientist is better at getting an accurate answer for a precise, sharply-defined question from a sea of comma-separated numbers.

A human readily understands that "hold the onions, hots on the side" means to not serve any onions and to place any spicy components of the sandwich in a separate container rather than on the sandwich itself. A machine needs to do a lot of educated guessing to decide whether it's being asked to keep the onions in its "hand" for a moment or keep them off the sandwich entirely, and whether black pepper used in the barbeque sauce needs to be separated and placed in a pile along with the haberno peppers.

Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by southernplaces7 on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @08:16PM (#43767526)
You seem to misunderstand my previous comment and also the thing being criticized by the post I replied to.

I understand that there are fuzzy tasks that AIs/algorithms are terrible at, which seem really simple for a human mind, and this hasn't gone away with the latest generations of LLMs. That's fine and I wouldn't criticize an AI for failing at something like the instructions you describe, for example.

However in this case, the human was asking for very specific, cut and dry information from easily available NFL rosters. Again, if an AI fails at that, especially because you didn't phrase the question "just so", then sorry, but no, it's not much more trustworthy for deep research and data scientist inquiries.

What in any case makes you think the data scientists will use superior phrasing to tease better results under more complexity from an LLM?

Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by danielmarkbruce on Wednesday April 23, 2025 @10:43AM (#43772800)
You didn't even read the comment he made.
Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by simonw on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @10:58AM (#43762999)
"Don’t fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing LLMs and assuming that failures which would discredit a human should discredit the machine in the same way." - https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/#s...
Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by daveguy on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @02:52PM (#43765130)
What I got out of that essay is that you should discredit most responses of LLMs unless you want to do just as much or more work yourself confirming the accuracy of an unreliable and deeply flawed partner. Whereas if a human "hallucinated a non-existent library or method you would instantly lose trust in them." But, for reasons, we should either give the machine the benefit of the doubt or manually confirm everything.
Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by simonw on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @04:07PM (#43765758)
From that same essay:

> If your reaction to this is “surely typing out the code is faster than typing out an English instruction of it”, all I can tell you is that it really isn’t for me any more. Code needs to be correct. English has enormous room for shortcuts, and vagaries, and typos, and saying things like “use that popular HTTP library” if you can’t remember the name off the top of your head.

Using LLMs as part of my coding work speeds me up by a significant amount.

Re:AI assisted search-based research works now by danielmarkbruce on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @11:43AM (#43763495)
No logic needed. Just use them, build them, play with them. You'll figure out what they are good at and what they aren't good at.