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Re:Python's new t-strings by Tenoke on Monday April 21, 2025 @06:50AM (#43750412)
db.safe same as the new db.execute with safety checks in it you create for the t-string but yes I can see some benefits (though I'm still not a fan for my own codebases so far) with using the values further or more complex cases than this.
Re:Python's new t-strings by ubercore on Monday April 21, 2025 @06:59AM (#43750482)
Yeah but it would have to be something like `db.safe("SELECT * FROM table WHERE id = {}", row_id)` instead of `db.execute(t"SELECT * FROM table WHERE id = {row_id}")`.

I'd prefer the second, myself.

Re:Python's new t-strings by Tenoke on Monday April 21, 2025 @07:07AM (#43750548)
No, just `db.execute(f"QUERY WHERE name = {db.safe(name)}")`

And you add the safety inside db.safe explicitly instead of implicitly in db.execute.

If you want to be fancy you can also assign name to db.foos inside db.safe to use it later (even in execute).

Re:Python's new t-strings by ZiiS on Monday April 21, 2025 @07:41AM (#43750786)
But if someone omits the `safe` it may still work but allow injection.
Re:Python's new t-strings by thunky on Monday April 21, 2025 @08:52AM (#43751449)
Same is true if someone forgets to use t" and uses f" instead.

At least db.safe says what it does, unlike t".

Re:Python's new t-strings by ewidar on Monday April 21, 2025 @09:44AM (#43751947)
Not really, since f"" is a string and t"" is a template, you could make `db.execute` only accept templates, maybe have

`db.execute(Template)` and `db.unsafeExecute(str)`

Re:Python's new t-strings by thunky on Monday April 21, 2025 @02:41PM (#43755075)
agreed. but then you're breaking the existing `db.execute(str)`. if you don't do that, and instead add `db.safe_execute(tpl: Template)`, then you're back to the risk that a user can forget to call the safe function.

also, you're trusting that the library implementer raises a runtime exception if a string a passed where a template is expected. it's not enough to rely on type-checks/linting. and there is probably going to be a temptation to accept `db.execute(sql: Union[str, Template])` because this is non-breaking, and sql without params doesn't need to be templated - so it's breaking some stuff that doesn't need to be broken.

i'm not saying templates aren't a good step forward, just that they're also susceptible to the same problems we have now if not used correctly.

Re:Python's new t-strings by ubercore on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @03:30AM (#43759869)
Then make `db.unsafe_execute` take a string.
Re:Python's new t-strings by thunky on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @08:24AM (#43761306)
Yeah, you could. I'm just saying that by doing this you're breaking `db.execute` by not allowing it to take it string like it does now. Libraries may not want to add a breaking change for this.
Re:Python's new t-strings by fwip on Monday April 21, 2025 @09:49AM (#43751995)
Your linter can flag the type mismatch, and/or the function can reject f"" at runtime. This is because t"" yields a Template, not a str.

Template is also more powerful/concise in that the stringify function can handle the "formatting" args however it looks.

Note also, that there's no requirement that the template ever become a str to be used.

Re:Python's new t-strings by sanderjd on Monday April 21, 2025 @08:33AM (#43751243)
This is just extra boilerplate though, for what purpose?.

I think one thing you might be missing is that in the t-string version, `db.execute` is not taking a string; a t-string resolves to an object of a particular type. So it is doing your `db.safe` operation, but automatically.

Re:Python's new t-strings by panzi on Monday April 21, 2025 @08:34AM (#43751257)
Of course you can write code like that. This is about making it easier not to accidentally cause code injection by forgetting the call of safe(). JavaScript had the same feature and some SQL libraries allow only the passing of template strings, not normal strings, so you can't generate a string with code injection. If you have to dynamically generate queries they allow that a parameter is another template string and then those are merged correctly. It's about reducing the likelihood of making mistakes with fewer key strokes. We could all just write untyped assembly instead and could do it safely by paying really good attention.
Re:Python's new t-strings by quinnirill on Tuesday April 22, 2025 @01:28AM (#43759309)
What does db.safe do though? How does it know what is the safe way of escaping at that point of the SQL? It will have no idea whether it’s going inside a string, if it’s in a field name position, denotes a value or a table name.

To illustrate the question further, consider a similar html.safe: f"<a href={html.safe(url)}>{html.safe(desc)</a>" - the two calls to html.safe require completely different escaping, how does it know which to apply?

Re:Python's new t-strings by Izkata on Monday April 21, 2025 @11:42AM (#43753222)
The first one already exists like:

  db.execute("SELECT * FROM table WHERE id = ?", (row_id,))