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Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by nofalsescotsman on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @08:22PM (#43699994)
Europe would be wise to start investing heavily in its own communications tech.
Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by doener on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @08:25PM (#43700015)
That is actually one of Europe‘s strong suits: https://www.telecoms.com/5g-6g/nokia-finally-replaces-huawei...
Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by Terr_ on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @08:56PM (#43700209)
Comparing national-origins of technology, plus a mention of Nokia, reminds me of this Transformers (2007) scene [0].

> "Oooh. Nokias are real nasty. You've gotta respect the Japanese. They know the way of the Samurai."

> "... Nokia's from Finland."

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VumNpJl-IeQ

Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by rsynnott on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @04:43AM (#43703031)
European companies (basically just Nokia and Ericsson) account for about a third of the global telecoms equipment market, or almost half if you exclude China Telecom (which is a captive market for Huawei). The only US company in the top 10 or so is Cisco.

This is one area where Europe is pretty much fine, and one where the US seems rather vulnerable; unless the tarrifs are short lived or there’s yet another carve out, US infra will suffer, especially as 6G rolls out.

Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by codingdave on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @08:33PM (#43700068)
In pretty much all aspects of life, you gotta be careful presenting ultimatums. People might not respond with the answer you hoped.
Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by phillipseamore on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @08:37PM (#43700092)
Also strange to propose that there are only two options when Europe already has it's own up and running GEO and LEO satellite systems. It's not choosing US or China, it's chosen to expand their own systems.

(I wouldn't be surprised that Brendan Carr simply doesn't know what European options are available)

Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by tough on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @08:47PM (#43700144)
What's even funnier is that the actual upsell is of Musk's Starlink, lmao
Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by rsynnott on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @04:48AM (#43703058)
Also, like, satellite simply isn’t _that_ important comms-wise. And European companies are huge in terrestrial and especially cellular. This is actually an area of vulnerability for the US; unless it adds yet another tariff carve out or scraps the tariffs, it’s likely to have cellular infra issues.
Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by beloch on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @09:06PM (#43700274)
It's a false choice fortunately. The EU doesn't have to choose between a totalitarian state and a crumbling democracy that is currently threatening to invade and seize the territory of a EU member nation. They can, and should, choose their own products or those of other reliable and friendly trading partners around the globe.
Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by tough on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @08:48PM (#43700146)
read unpaywalled here: https://archive.is/CrpI2
Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by hayst4ck on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @09:00PM (#43700230)
The ultimatum hurts America even more when many well studied professionals are almost certainly starting to look internationally as a contingency plan for what is currently happening.

The potential for literally the same people who built the American systems to build the European ones is growing as this governments fist is tightening it's grip on power.

Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by axiologist on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @10:19PM (#43700738)
Re:Trump official tells Europe to choose between US or Chine... by lawn on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @01:12AM (#43701722)
And the self-harm continues.

How long will it take for the US to recover from this madness, if ever?