When someone robs a bank, and puts a gun in the face of the teller, they are both in agreement. Both of them want to get the money out of the drawer and into the bag as quickly as possible. The bank robber is not aligned with the teller, they aren't allies on this topic, they're not on the same side, the fact that the teller wants to do the same thing the bank robber wants is because of the threat of murder. The teller never considered that it would be a good idea to put all the money in a sack until the gun was put in his face.

The idea that you can separate Zionism from a thousand years of pogroms and genocide is ridiculous and stupid, and the idea that Nazis are somehow 'on the side of' any Jews, in any scenario, is ridiculous and stupid. Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't murder and isolate and oppress Jews for a thousand years they wouldn't have felt the need to find a place away from you. Maybe if you don't put a gun in their face bank tellers won't start wanting to put all the money in a pillow case.

> America's Zionists are mostly Christian nationalists

I assume you are Polish or something? Hungarian? Ukrainian? The combination of comfortable, casual antisemitism, belief in silly antisemitic conspiracy theories, and lack of knowledge about the US makes me think so. Most US Zionists are Jews, because we didn't cook all the Jews who live here in big ovens. Secondarily a lot of Evangelical Christians are pro Israel due to a combination of cultural and weird religious reasons (they think Israel has to be a Jewish state so they will rebuild Solomon's Temple so that Jesus has a place to land when he comes back). There is very little (so little you would struggle to find it) antisemetic Christian Nationalist sentiment in the US compared to pro-jewish Evangelical Christian sentiment. Evangelical Christians don't want Jews to leave the country or move to Israel, the concept that this is even a valid opinion would be completely foreign.

> Unlike them, I do not believe in the "Jewish Question" (prime topic on 4chan btw) and I am perfectly fine with Jews living in my country, sharing my bread, etc.

It's their country too, right? That's what you meant? Your careful veneer is slipping a little here.

Why twist every word out of my mouth? Why be so disingenuous?

> the idea that Nazis are somehow 'on the side of' any Jews, in any scenario, is ridiculous and stupid.

Then what do you make of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement?wprov=sfla1 ?

I never pretended that Nazi Germany was an ally of Israel or Jews or whatever. Simply that at some point in history, Nazis and Zionists shared a single interest. Do you debate this too?

> if you didn't murder and isolate and oppress Jews for a thousand years they wouldn't have felt the need to find a place away from you.

Wtf is wrong with you? Why use "you" as if I was the one committing those atrocities?

Do you not believe Jews can live in Europe? That colonizing Gaza is made justified by past genocide, necessary even? Perhaps you believe in the "Jewish Question" and think Jews can't cohexist around other populations? I do not.

> I assume you are Polish or something? Hungarian? Ukrainian?

No. Stop assuming.

> It's their country too, right? That's what you meant?

Of course it's what I meant you slimey dishonest idiot. I do not care about the religion/ethnicity/gender of my fellow citizens. What do you not understand in "I don't believe in the Jewish Question"?

Let me reiterate my position once and for all, so you can stop baselessly attacking me. Israel is currently committing atrocities in Gaza, and for that reason alone I am condemning it.

I do not believe in the "Jewish Question", this means I don't think having Jewish citizens in my country is an issue. Same thing as for any other "group".

Therefore, I don't believe the Zionist project was necessary in the first place. That said, I am obviously not advocating for the disbanding of Israel and a "return". That would cause tremendous harm for no good reason. What I want is for the colonization of Gaza to stop, is that too much to ask without being labelled a rabid anti-semite?

You can dress it up however you want, but your pathological need to insist that Nazis were pro-zionism is not historically accurate and it is frankly insulting. From the link you posted: "In the post-war period, the agreement has sometimes been cited by anti-Zionists, anti-Semites, and critics of Israel (Ken Livingstone, Lyndon LaRouche, Louis Farrakhan, Mark Weber,[28] Joseph Massad,[29] Mahmoud Abbas[30]) as evidence of Nazi support for Zionism[31] or Zionist collaboration with the Nazis.[32]"

From the footnotes of the link you posted: https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/world-history/ado...

What you keep saying is just basic antisemetic rhetoric. I wonder where you were exposed to it?

From my previous comment:

> I never pretended that Nazi Germany was an ally of Israel or Jews or whatever. Simply that at some point in history, Nazis and Zionists shared a single interest. Do you debate this too?

This is huge waste of time. You have made up your mind: I am a rabid anti-semite for some reason. Why? What can you possibly gain by alienating me?

I have been to anti-racism marches including marches against anti-semitism. You barely know me but insist I am using "basic anti-semitic rhetoric". I fear there's nothing I could say that would change your mind on such a ridiculous and disgusting mischaracterization of my person. Goodbye.

You have insisted like 3 times in this thread on pushing this theory that Nazis were pro zionism. It's historically inaccurate. It's insulting. You can read the wikipedia article you posted for details. I don't know why you want to push this, but you are the one pushing it.

I agree in theory being anti-zionism does not logically imply someone is anti-semetic, but it's also true that antisemites usually describe themselves as just being anti-zionist and then they probe to see what they can get away with in terms of denying the holocaust and pushing antisemetic tropes.

If you don't want people to think you are an antisemite, don't push antisemetic theories.