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Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by pokot0 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @10:41AM (#43693454)
Can someone explain to me why EU VAT is considered a tariff, while US sales taxes are not? They both seem a sale tax to me.
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by presto8 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @10:54AM (#43693628)
Because VAT is collected at the border on imports, some people (wrongly) consider VATs a tariff. Considering that VAT is rebated on exports, VATs are trade neutral.

Sales tax as implemented in the US is not as tax efficient as VAT due to the impact of sales taxation on intermediate transactions during manufacturing. VAT only taxes the incrementally the value added at each transaction) whereas sales tax applies to the entire value at each stage.

Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by xbmcuser on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:10AM (#43693916)
Hmm how is it different in the US do you not get back in the sales tax that you paid for your input. Here the middle man pay tax on the buying price and then collects on the sell price. Then has to pay the government minus what they paid as input sale tax. So all increments on the price gets taxed till the end user. But the tax itself is not taxed again.
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by pjc50 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:06AM (#43693843)
Does the US charge sales tax on B2B transactions? Really? Well no wonder you have problems with domestic manufacturing.
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by presto8 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:52AM (#43694607)
Many B2B transactions are tax-exempt but it's complicated. And gets really complicated once international transactions are considered. And also whether the company has a physical nexus in the place the product is being purchased. All in all, I think it would be simpler if the US adopted VAT. But that seems very unlikely.
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by 9dev on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @12:11PM (#43694915)
Unlikely, given that the current administration seems incapable of understanding what VAT is in the first place…
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by Yeul on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @04:13PM (#43697837)
Last I checked VAT is the same rate regardless if the product is made in China or by pinguins on Antarctica so why anyone in the US gives a damn is beyond me.
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by patmorgan23 on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @09:49AM (#43705530)
There's no federal sales tax so it varies by state.
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by torginus on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:07PM (#43708560)
Im fairly certain VAT is collected at point of sale in the EU.
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by pjc50 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @10:45AM (#43693500)
Only people who are wrong consider VAT a tariff. Yes, importers have to pay it, but so do local manufacturers.

VAT has basically the same effect as sales taxes with a much more complicated tax incidence.

Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by freeone3000 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @10:55AM (#43693639)
At an individual level, it’s not more complicated: it’s reimbursed instead of exempted. And if you’re charging it, it’s easier, since you simply always charge instead of maintaining your list of exceptions.
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by pjc50 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:07AM (#43693859)
UK VAT certainly has a complicated list of exceptions, especially "non-luxury food" (see the Jaffa Cake case https://www.astonshaw.co.uk/jaffa-cake-tax/)
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by freeone3000 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:17AM (#43694029)
But these are per-product, not per-customer. (Businesses, charities, and some customers are exempt from sales tax regardless of what they are buying.)
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by charamis on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @10:46AM (#43693525)
Really wondering about the same, since VAT is applied to everything too, not only imported products and services.
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by misja111 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:11AM (#43693936)
The answer is: rhetoric. It's a fake argument to justify US tariffs. It won't work for people like you and me, but Trump fans will love it.
Re:America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufac... by dboreham on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @09:19AM (#43705147)
They're not. Only disingenuous charlatans say they are.