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Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by 8f2ab37a-ed6c on Saturday April 12, 2025 @03:30AM (#43662192)
Google is also terribly paranoid of the LLM saying anything controversial. If you want a summary of some hot topic article you might not have the time to read, Gemini will straight up refuse to answer. ChatGPT and Grok don't mind at all.
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by silisili on Saturday April 12, 2025 @03:56AM (#43662337)
I noticed the same in Gemini. It would refuse to answer mundane questions that none but the most 'enlightened' could find an offensive twist to.

This makes it rather unusable as a catch all goto resource, sadly. People are curious by nature. Refusing to answer their questions doesn't squash that, it leads them to potentially less trustworthy sources.

Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by rat87 on Saturday April 12, 2025 @07:30AM (#43663493)
Trying to answer complex questions by making up shit in a confident voice is the worst option. Redirecting to a more trustworthy human source or multiple if needed is much better
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by aeonik on Saturday April 12, 2025 @09:13AM (#43664085)
I talk to ChatGPT about some controversial things, and it's pretty good at nuance and devils advocate if you ask for it. It's more echo chamber, if you don't, or rather extreme principle of charity, which might be a good thing.
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by ranyume on Saturday April 12, 2025 @10:15AM (#43664575)
> Refusing to answer their questions doesn't squash that, it leads them to potentially less trustworthy sources.

But that's good

Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by thfuran on Saturday April 12, 2025 @01:20PM (#43666300)
For who?
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by ranyume on Saturday April 12, 2025 @02:09PM (#43666673)
For the reader.

The AI won't tell the reader what to think in an authoritative voice. This is better than the AI trying to decide what is true and what isn't.

However, the AI should be able to search the web and present it's findings without refusals. Obviously, always presenting the sources. And the AI should never use an authoritative tone and it should be transparent about the steps it took to gather the information, and present the sites and tracks it didn't follow.

Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by LightBug1 on Saturday April 12, 2025 @04:10PM (#43667569)
Yes, Musk's contention of an AI trying to tell the truth, no matter what, is straight up horse manure. Should be done for false advertising (per usual)
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by thfuran on Saturday April 12, 2025 @05:56PM (#43668218)
Elon Musk had been an endless stream of false advertising for years.
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by wegfawefgawefg on Sunday April 13, 2025 @02:40AM (#43670600)
"If i never choose, I can never be wrong. Isnt that great?"
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by yieldcrv on Saturday April 12, 2025 @03:19PM (#43667189)
Deepseek to circumvent Western censorship

Claude to circumvent Eastern censorship

Grok Unhinged for a wild time

Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by AznHisoka on Saturday April 12, 2025 @03:44AM (#43662265)
The single reason I will never ever be an user of them. Its a hill I will die on
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by logicchains on Saturday April 12, 2025 @05:09AM (#43662712)
Not a fan of Google, but if you use Gemini through AI studio with a custom prompt and filters disabled it's by far the least censored commercial model in my experience.
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by einsteinx2 on Saturday April 12, 2025 @06:47AM (#43663248)
Less censored than Grok?
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by nova22033 on Saturday April 12, 2025 @10:58AM (#43664954)
How many people use Grok for real work?
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by polski-g on Sunday April 13, 2025 @08:40PM (#43677010)
I do. It is absolutely astounding for coding.
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by int_19h on Saturday April 12, 2025 @07:21PM (#43668713)
Most of https://chirper.ai runs on Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite, and it has plenty of extremely NSFW content generated.
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by jsemrau on Saturday April 12, 2025 @06:00AM (#43662995)
>Google is also terribly paranoid of the LLM saying anything controversial.

When did this start? Serious question. Of all the model providers my experience with Google's LLMs and Chatproducts were the worst in that dimension. Black Nazis, Eating stones, pizza with glue, etc I suppose we've all been there.

Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by rahidz on Saturday April 12, 2025 @06:36AM (#43663183)
The ghost of Tay still haunts every AI company.
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by rat87 on Saturday April 12, 2025 @07:27AM (#43663474)
As it should. The potential for harm from LLMs is significant and they should be aware of that
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by bmcahren on Sunday April 13, 2025 @05:50PM (#43676116)
From day one. We would have had LLMs years before if Google wasn't holding back. They knew the risk - google search would be dead as soon as the internet were flooded with AI content that google could not distinguish from real content.

Then you could look at how the first "public preview" models they released were so neutered by their own inhibitions they were useless (to me). Things like over-active refusals in response to "killing child processes".

Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by miohtama on Saturday April 12, 2025 @06:34AM (#43663167)
I think that's the "trust" bit. In AI, trust generally means "let's not offend anyone and water it down to useless." Google is paranoid of being sued/getting attention if Gemini says something about Palestine or drawns images like Studio Ghibli. Meanwhile users love to these topics and memes are free marketing.
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by rat87 on Saturday April 12, 2025 @07:26AM (#43663466)
Seems like a feature. Last thing we need is a bunch of people willing to take AI at it's word making up shit about controversial topics. I'd say redirecting to good or prestigious source is probably the best you can do
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by StefanBatory on Saturday April 12, 2025 @07:50AM (#43663603)
I remember when LLM first appeared - on a local social website of my country (think Digg), a lot of people were exctatic because they got ChatGPT to say that black people are dumb, claiming it as a victory over woke :P
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by ysofunny on Saturday April 12, 2025 @04:03PM (#43667526)
I find chat.deepseek even worse at "controversial" stuff

what really irks me (I've gotten properly triggered) is when the censorship surprises me

more than once already, as I was already reading the streaming thoughts response, I've gotten suddenly interrupted with the standard "sorry I cannot discuss that with you" (paraphrasing). this feels as if somebody yanked a book I was reading out of my hands. awful experience.

what really bothers me is that I'm often surprised by what it censors. anything sociological, political, or even culturally inquisitive of china often triggers this layer of censorship.

Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by dorgo on Sunday April 13, 2025 @01:13PM (#43674275)
Try asking ChatGPT to solve a captcha for you ( character recognition in a foreign language ). AI studio doesn't refuse.
Re:Google Is Winning on Every AI Front by Breza on Saturday April 19, 2025 @08:28PM (#43740572)
I have the same experience in the web UI. Asking for that famous Obama chili recipe gets a refusal. But when I use the API, I can dial back the safety settings to the point where things work much more smoothly.