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Re:The Mystery of ICE's Unidentifiable Arrests by crote on Friday April 11, 2025 @05:29PM (#43658827)
> Democrats, well-meaning as they are, are too consumed with doing right and not with actually being in a position to do right.

I'd argue the opposite, actually. The Democratic party is obsessed with staying in power, but unwilling to have any halfway-interesting policies because they fear missing out on lobbyist bribes or losing any chance of getting the independent/undecided/centrist vote. Every time the Republicans move to the right, the Democratic party does a small step to the right as well to "compromise".

The Democratic party isn't interested in doing the right thing, and as a result the left-wing voter base turns to complete apathy or wastes their vote on independent candidates. If the US had a functioning democracy, there would've been a new left-wing party ages ago.

Re:The Mystery of ICE's Unidentifiable Arrests by quantified on Friday April 11, 2025 @06:35PM (#43659430)
Hmmm, how does regulating crypto and advocating for things like a good environment, good health care, family care, human rights, and such tap into lobbyist bribes?

As politicians, they do succumb to their own share of shenanigans. But they seemed to tend to not enjoy shitting on quite as many people.

Re:The Mystery of ICE's Unidentifiable Arrests by panic on Friday April 11, 2025 @10:52PM (#43660927)
By stopping at "advocating" rather than doing the dirty political work to actually implement things like good health care. We are told what we want is impossible due to some rule or another only to watch the GOP ignore or work around the same rule in service of their cruel agenda.
Re:The Mystery of ICE's Unidentifiable Arrests by kcplate on Saturday April 12, 2025 @08:42AM (#43663877)
I’d add that the success that they have had around implementing progressive policy gains falls within a “good intentions with poor execution”, but they strangely measure their political success by the intentions they had instead of the disastrous executions.
Re:The Mystery of ICE's Unidentifiable Arrests by mountainmonk on Friday April 11, 2025 @05:54PM (#43659054)
"Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws"

Both parties share the blame. With Trump some claim that it was Kamala's focus on trans that made the difference while others claim that she didn't focus that much on it if at all. My take is that both parties jump at the opportunity to focus on these lesser issues rather big picture items such as taxes, universal healthcare or anything else that would actually make a large impact in people's lives.

This is nothing new. I remember when Bernie was drowned out years ago and the focus became gay marriage instead of the much more important issues he was advocating for. The blame for focusing on these issues cannot fall just on the republican party. The democrats were more than happy to focus on these issues instead of something that might pit them against those that fund them. If all that matters is who is paying you behind closed walls, then it doesn't matter which party is in power at all.

Re:The Mystery of ICE's Unidentifiable Arrests by watwut on Friday April 11, 2025 @06:05PM (#43659173)
It was republicans who focused on trans, relentlessly and for months super actively. And it helped to win them election, outrage and anger sells votes. It was effective to make voters vote for them.

Besides, the parties are not symmetrical. This is not both sides issue, this is literally republicans causing all the damage issue while democrats are blamed for not stopping it. The "both parties are to blame" when what is happening is literally republicans doing it massive harm intentionally is what caused this situation.

Re:The Mystery of ICE's Unidentifiable Arrests by mountainmonk on Friday April 11, 2025 @06:54PM (#43659556)
The republicans come in screw things up and then the democrats come in and fix a thing on two, they never actually repair things and even continue doing the same things. Obama stayed in the same wars they condemned Bush for, kept the same 'war on terror' policies. Trump on the other hand removed or stopped almost everything associated with Obama. Biden kept the sanctions on China that Trump put in while Trump again removed the chips act and everything else that Biden did. See the pattern here? one party destroys the things of the other party keeps the very same things they condemned the other party for.

My guess right now is that democrats after Trump are counting on coming in, fixing some very minor things while running on a 'everything is gonna be different' platform much like Obama did after Bush.

I'm not saying they are equal, they are different but at the end of the day they both play on the same team so who cares about the small differences?. I honestly believe the democrats are done for, its either that or there won't be a point to them anymore since if they stay the same there won't be any need to pretend anymore as the last cycle of this little game ends with the next Trump.

Re:The Mystery of ICE's Unidentifiable Arrests by watwut on Saturday April 12, 2025 @03:42AM (#43662255)
Obama was centrist, campaigned as a centrist and was voted for by people who wanted centrism. Tried to rule as centrist as was his actual mandate from voters. That is when republicans went crazy and radicalized to the far right. And no, you wont convince me that racism was not playing the role, no matter how much did the online center claimed the opposite.

It is ridiculous that he is blamed for not doing much when what republicans back then did was, well, blocking everything. The ridiculous obstructions and one sided arguments were new back then, they became norm now.

> while Trump again removed the chips act and everything else that Biden did

Trump broke laws big time while doing it. He is literally dismantling both democracy and rule of law. It is ridiculous to criticize democrats for not going full fascists when they had power while also claiming them and republicans are the same. Yes they could act like Trump does now and create own autocracy. That they did not is a good point for them.

> who cares about the small differences

These are not small differences. For that matter, the tariffs Biden kept and current 135% dramas mixed with annexations threats toward allies are not nearly in the same league. And that is what I am talking about.

In order to achieve both sides are the same, you need to:

- Massively exaggerate bad democrats do, simultaneously blame them when they are centrists and when they go slightly left. And then throw blame them for what republicans do on top of it.

- Massively whitewash what republicans do, ignore the worst of what they do, minimize the scale. And then use their worst as a blueprint for what democrats were supposed to do.

Re:The Mystery of ICE's Unidentifiable Arrests by alabastervlog on Friday April 11, 2025 @05:41PM (#43658936)
They're in precisely the same position the Republicans were in before Trump: they're the only viable and not completely-detestable party for about half the voters, but are doing a really bad job of working on what those voters want.

Republican Party leadership in 2015-2016 wanted more of business as usual, and to keep power. Trump came in talking just like an actual Republican voter in a midwestern diner, with the credibility of being a party outsider, which cut the legs out from under them because they have sucked at representing their actual voters for decades. This struck such a grievous blow that he quickly took over the entire party. Then he either actually did things Republicans had been selling voters on for years but not delivering (Roe v Wade, gone, thanks to his Supreme Court), or at least kind-of ineptly tried to do things Republican voters have long wanted but Republican politicians never really even tried to do (the stupid wall, tariff China, destroy [well, uh, replace with a barely-different agreement, but whatever, names matter] NAFTA).

It took him bumbling his way through a pandemic to lose, and not by that much, he'd almost certainly have gotten a second term if not for sheer chance despite all the blatant corruption and daily incredibly stupid bullshit, that is how effective this strategy was.

Democrats won't improve and will struggle to win elections until something similar happens to their party. This will need to include abandoning strident neoliberal economic policy, as it did for the Republicans, because voters never liked that and it only worked because both parties stuck to it regardless.

... all of this is assuming we have free & fair Federal elections again.

Re:The Mystery of ICE's Unidentifiable Arrests by readthenotes1 on Friday April 11, 2025 @05:41PM (#43658933)
One of my friends said "that problem is too valuable to solve"

It wasn't about immigration, but it's a pretty generally applicable principal