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Re:How University Students Use Claude by hackyhacky on Thursday April 10, 2025 @02:35AM (#43641263)
You're skipping over a critical step, which is that our society allocated resources based on the labor value that an individual provides. If we free up everyone to do anything, they're not providing labor any more, so they get no resources. In other words, society needs to change in big ways, and I don't know how or if it will do that.
Re:How University Students Use Claude by Ray20 on Thursday April 10, 2025 @12:14PM (#43645393)
>If we free up everyone to do anything

Not anything, but something useful. And in exchange for that useful they'll get resources (which will become more abundant).

Re:How University Students Use Claude by hackyhacky on Thursday April 10, 2025 @12:47PM (#43645750)
Huh? If AI can do any job cheaper and better than a person can, why would anyone hire a person? What "useful" skill could a person exchange for resources in an era when computers write code, drive cars, fight wars, and cook food?
Re:How University Students Use Claude by Ray20 on Friday April 11, 2025 @03:17AM (#43651287)
But you answer your own question: the only situation in which it makes no sense to hire another person to satisfy a need is when that need has already been satisfied in another way.

And if all needs are already satisfied... Why worry about work? The purpose of work is to satisfy needs. If needs are satisfied, there is no need for work.

Re:How University Students Use Claude by hackyhacky on Friday April 11, 2025 @07:48AM (#43652776)
You assume the everyone's needs are solved together. More likely is that the property owning class acquire AI robots to provide cheap labor; and everyone else doesn't.
Re:How University Students Use Claude by Ray20 on Friday April 11, 2025 @09:37AM (#43653637)
>You assume the everyone's needs are solved together.

No, I am not assuming that. "Together" are not required. It's just combination of needs, ability to satisfy them and ability to exchange - creates jobs. And nothing of this will be thwarted by AI.

>More likely is that the property owning class acquire AI robots to provide cheap labor

Doesn't matter. Your everyday person either will be able to afford this cheap AI labor for themselves (no problem that required solving) or if AI labor for them are unaffordable - will create jobs for other people (there will be jobs on market everywhere)

Re:How University Students Use Claude by hackyhacky on Friday April 11, 2025 @11:59AM (#43655332)
Okay, so AI will be reserved for the rich, and everyone else will be left to rot in squalor. Got it.
Re:How University Students Use Claude by jplusequalt on Thursday April 10, 2025 @03:35PM (#43647324)
>something useful

Where is the existing work these people would take up? If it doesn't exist yet, then how do you suppose people will support themselves in the meantime?

What if the new work that is created pays less? Do you think people should just accept being made obsolete to take up lower paying jobs?

Re:How University Students Use Claude by Ray20 on Friday April 11, 2025 @02:59AM (#43651206)
>Where is the existing work these people would take up? If it doesn't exist yet, then how do you suppose people will support themselves in the meantime?

Everywhere in human society. "Jobs" is literally when you do something that someone needs, so that in exchange they do something that you need. And in human society, because of AI, neither people’s needs, nor the ability to satisfy them, nor the possibility of exchanging them will suddenly disappear. So the jobs will be everywhere.

>Do you think people should just accept being made obsolete to take up lower paying jobs?

Let's start with the fact that on average all jobs will become higher paying because the amount of goods produced (and distributed) will increase. So the more correct answer to this question is "What choice will they have?".

AI will make the masses richer, so society will not abandon it. Subsidize their obsolete well-paid jobs to make society poorer? Why would anyone do that? So the people replaced by AI will go to work in other jobs. Sometimes higher paying, sometimes lower.

If we are talking about real solutions, the best alternative they will have is to form a cult like the Amish did (God bless America and capitalism), in which they can pretend that AI does not exist and live as before. The only question in this case is whether they will find willing participants, because for most, participation in such a cult will mean losing the increase in income provided by the introduction of AI.

Re:How University Students Use Claude by jplusequalt on Friday April 11, 2025 @09:26AM (#43653526)
>AI will make the masses richer, so society will not abandon it

This remains to be seen. Inequality is worse now than it was 20 years ago despite technology progressing. This is true across income and wealth.

Re:How University Students Use Claude by Ray20 on Friday April 11, 2025 @09:46AM (#43653741)
>This remains to be seen.

No, that's just logic. AI doesn't thwart the ability of people to satisfy their needs (getting richer).

>Inequality is worse now than it was 20 years ago despite technology progressing.

And people are still richer than ever before (if we take into account the policies that are thwarting society's ability to satisfy each other's needs and that have nothing to do with technologies)