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Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by neilv on Saturday April 05, 2025 @06:53PM (#43597475)
Dated 2016.

I think the 2025 rules will be different, for most US tech job-seekers.

Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by soneca on Saturday April 05, 2025 @07:18PM (#43597610)
Which rules would be different in particular, you think?
Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by Cerium on Saturday April 05, 2025 @07:34PM (#43597724)
The information landscape has changed a bit - several large states now require posting clear salary bands, which many companies comply with in good faith. Some like Netflix post something useless (eg: "The range for this role is $100,000 - $720,000").
Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by lotsofpulp on Saturday April 05, 2025 @07:39PM (#43597746)
That isn’t useless, the $100k bottom number provides a lot of information to labor sellers.
Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by packetslave on Sunday April 06, 2025 @02:03AM (#43599276)
Netflix is a weird case, in that they let new hires pick the mix of stock vs. cash in their total compensation. Since the CA law requires posting the cash salary in the job offer, it really can be that wide of a range.
Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by zerr on Sunday April 06, 2025 @04:13AM (#43599781)
When given the range, overshoot the max so they can negotiate you down close to the max.
Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by ZoomZoomZoom on Sunday April 06, 2025 @06:02AM (#43600280)
"Why do we need a candidate that can't read or do basic math?"

Also, usually the high bound is set to catch desperate overqualifieds into the job competing process, not to be actually paid.

YMMV, speaking from experience in non-US job market culture.

Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by zerr on Sunday April 06, 2025 @06:39AM (#43600426)
It's not about the basic math but negotiating if they can do better, also saying that they shouldn't even bother proposing you something in the lower part of the range.

I deal with non-US shops as well, it is surprising how many of them can and do pay US rates when asked.

Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by neilv on Saturday April 05, 2025 @07:45PM (#43597774)
Sorry, that was a confusing choice of term by me, when the article already used the term "rule". I mean the courtship dynamics.

When it's a buyer's market -- or the buyers think it is -- some of the candidate tactics are going to play differently.

Even the old advice that, once the company decides they want you, that changes the dynamics, and now opens up negotiation. The dynamics maybe don't change as much as they used to. If candidate A doesn't take the offer, B, C, D, etc., are lined up and waiting, and probably not going anywhere.

I suspect that a lot of techbros who only know/remember the sellers market of a few years ago are going to be hit by the pendulum swing, when a lot of employers will be similarly cocky and fickle.

Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by reset0684 on Saturday April 05, 2025 @08:27PM (#43597952)
Midwest, not Silicon Valley, but that's my current experience. I've already got a job and just got an offer which would be a small pay cut. So, I told them I'm excited about the work, etc but I just can't take a pay cut.

They remained firm that they couldn't budge on salary even a little. Then remained firm as I asked for a signing bonus (denied) and reduced hours (denied). This company doesn't do stock at all and they've already got unlimited PTO so no room to negotiate there.

Meanwhile, their interview feedback indicated I did very well. They unanimously wanted me, and I slightly exceeded their technical expectations for the role.

Seems tougher than I remember from before covid.

(Throwaway since I don't want this tied to my name for my current or future employer to find.)

Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by ryandrake on Saturday April 05, 2025 @09:06PM (#43598110)
Yea, this has been pretty much my experience through years of job searching. Very rare to find a company willing to negotiate.
Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by angra_mainyu on Sunday April 06, 2025 @02:14AM (#43599311)
Can agree that right now the market is tough.

Some years ago there were job posts left and right, salaries were high and hiring was smooth - now there are comparatively fewer jobs posted, salaries are almost half of what it was before, and many don't even write back.

Many companies are even turning away from remote work. It used to be very doable to find a job in the US from Europe, now everyone is demanding you have work authorization and can be in the US.

Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by csomar on Sunday April 06, 2025 @07:36AM (#43600675)
> is demanding you have work authorization

This was also my observation. Everyone is talking about "outsourcing" but what I am seeing is work-authorization required everywhere. I wonder if this is a legal change that restricts them because it works against their negotiation power.

Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by reactordev on Saturday April 05, 2025 @07:24PM (#43597651)
This has been true since 216, let alone in 2016 or now in 2025. It will still be true in 20,216.
Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by ivanmontillam on Saturday April 05, 2025 @07:30PM (#43597694)
I agree, if you extract the "timeless fundamentals" from each one of these paragraphs, it will remain relevant anytime, anywhere.

As long as human nature remains, the advice will still be valid.

Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by CharlieDigital on Saturday April 05, 2025 @07:16PM (#43597595)
Author's points are all still valid and worth the read.
Re:Ten Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer by nmd on Sunday April 06, 2025 @03:37AM (#43599641)
I just went through the job hunting (labour selling!) process for a tech role in a HCOL city in US and every point in the article matched with my experience. As another commenter mentioned, the difference is these days you have bands on job listings and then levels.fyi and blind (for larger tech companies) balances out some of the information asymmetry.