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Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday April 05, 2025 @03:02PM (#43595936)
> Pet friendly food places violate the law

Huh. It would seem that the FDA lacks jurisdiction to micromanage commercial affairs on private property among the states in this manner.

If someone knows a restaurant or bar owner—ideally who own their land and are in a red state—who was fined or otherwise damaged by the feds for letting pets on their premises, please reach out. Would love to sponsor a test case.

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by kowabungalow on Saturday April 05, 2025 @03:54PM (#43596325)
You seeem pretty confused about what the US is(was?).

The CDC has a program that works with local departments in relation to local laws, maybe you can get things like this cancelled so Mexico and and Canada can finally share a border.

https://www.cdc.gov/restaurant-food-safety/php/investigation...

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 06, 2025 @01:34PM (#43603203)
> CDC has a program that works with local departments in relation to local laws

That’s not the problematic code [1].

[1] https://www.fda.gov/food/fda-food-code/summary-changes-2022-...

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by kowabungalow on Sunday April 06, 2025 @01:43PM (#43603280)
"The model Food Code is neither federal law nor federal regulation and is not preemptive."
Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 06, 2025 @01:48PM (#43603314)
It’s directly incorporated into state and local law. I’m arguing that deserves a challenge. It de facto sidesteps state and local lawmakers, whom I’m not convinced have the power to delegate their lawmaking power this way.
Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by kowabungalow on Sunday April 06, 2025 @01:54PM (#43603382)
They usually have a corporate employee write the law but a federal code that has been researched is the problem?
Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 06, 2025 @01:58PM (#43603422)
> usually have a corporate employee write the law but a federal code that has been researched is the problem?

One, everyone running away with conspiracy theories is probably the singular problem in American politics today.

But two, I have no problem with the code in general. But I don’t like this section of it and now suspect it isn’t legally constructed. So yes, it’s a problem.

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by kowabungalow on Sunday April 06, 2025 @02:06PM (#43603492)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_...

Everyone is not running away with theories. Journalists are documenting facts about the actual conspiracies while internet trolls are making up the separate but equal viewpoint.

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 06, 2025 @02:24PM (#43603639)
> Everyone is not running away with theories

ALEC is one among many interest groups, all of which tend to exert pressure on both states and federal regulators.

> while internet trolls are making up the separate but equal viewpoint

You’re promulgating a false dichotomy between federal rulemaking and corrupt state lawmaking. L

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by kowabungalow on Sunday April 06, 2025 @03:00PM (#43603987)
Federal agencies suggesting easy to enact laws that should be affected by both parties is a strange bogeyman to have when you actually have private companies dictating legislation with a BS cash as speech argument and federal storm troopers illegally acting within the jurisdiction of states. Why are the republicans so afraid of agencies with no teeth and all for federal agencies that could really illegally enter their state and kidnap them?

(I think this is the end of the thread so I will answer you question here.. You have always had perfectly reasonable local options if the FDA code has something you disagree with, because everything is a partnership with your local government, you have absolutely no power to stop a group like the CBP from illegal road stops in your state because your State would have to start succeeding. Therefore, I find the republican claims of priorities as hypocritical as democrats given indifference appearing where it would matter if the priorities were real.)

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 06, 2025 @03:06PM (#43604048)
> Why are the republicans so afraid of agencies with no teeth and all for federal agencies that could really illegally enter their state and kidnap them?

What does this have to do with pets in restaurants?!

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by moralestapia on Saturday April 05, 2025 @06:46PM (#43597434)
Reminds me of when possession of Marijuana was a crime and drug addicts were desperately coming up up with literally any excuse to justify them breaking the law.

If you think "I mostly follow the law except for this one rule I don't like" you didn't get it, you are just not a civilized person. It is also a quick litmus test for intelligence.

There are alternatives if you disagree with the law, which is 100% valid, btw; sure they're not easy and they take time, but that's how it is and it might be the best thing we can come up with. Understanding that there's proper ways to do things is usually part of being and behaving like a mature individual.

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by kasey_junk on Saturday April 05, 2025 @07:15PM (#43597594)
One of the alternatives in the US, especially for issues regarding laws that infringe on rights, is to have a court adjudicate if the law is allowed.

You almost always need to break that law to get that to happen.

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by precommunicator on Saturday April 05, 2025 @06:51PM (#43597467)
So you never drove your car at 1mph over the speed limit?
Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by moralestapia on Saturday April 05, 2025 @07:52PM (#43597811)
I don't drive a car.

But on the spirit of a good conversation (see @dang, I'm behaving :)) to your point of whether I have ever broke the law or not ... most likely yes, but not consciously.

Many times I have refrained from doing things for the sole reason that it would be unlawful, even though I disagree with it.

There's a big difference between that and choosing to consciously break the law for a menial pleasure.

Edit: So weird to be on the hot pan for defending the rule of law, lmao. What a terrible status quo.

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by precommunicator on Saturday April 05, 2025 @08:58PM (#43598089)
I guess learning about every single law in every single situation would be this one thing that's "sure they're not easy and they take time" but:

Quoting from the swedish driver education book[1].

> It is not desirable to have 100% adherence to the rules. According to the criteria for a category B licence, you must display “good judgement when interacting with other road users”. A reasonable interpretation of this statement is that you may depart from the rules in some cases.

I feel the same can be said about many other situations.

- [1] https://korkortonline.se/en/theory/learning-maturity/

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 06, 2025 @01:38PM (#43603238)
> weird to be on the hot pan for defending the rule of law

You’re confusing lawbreaking/lawlessness with the rule of law [1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by 8note on Saturday April 05, 2025 @09:49PM (#43598317)
the law includes punishments because its expected and designed in that the law is broken.

there are wve past that, laws about how the law can be written, where they cant contreve more important laws like constitutions.

the most impactful way to challenge illegal laws is to not follow them, and the court process afterwards figures out invalidating that law

however, nreaking bad laws also brings attention to them so that legislative changes can be made.

Re:Bodega cats make New Yorkers' hearts purr, even if they v... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 06, 2025 @01:37PM (#43603229)
> If you think "I mostly follow the law except for this one rule I don't like" you didn't get it, you are just not a civilized person

You’re really calling the likes of Rosa Parks uncivilised [1]?

If the law is illegal or wrong, there is no higher calling than getting it overturned. There are two ways to do that in America: through the legislature and through the courts. To access the latter, you need a violation. (There is technically a third: not enforcing it. But that actually is a breakdown in the rule of law.)

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks