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Re:Dijkstra On the foolishness of "natural language programm... by whatevertrevor on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:51PM (#43575911)
Textbooks aren't just communicating theorems and proofs (which are often just written in formal symbolic language), but also the language required to teach these concepts, why these are important, how these could be used and sometimes even the story behind the discovery of fields.

So this is far from an accurate comparison.

Re:Dijkstra On the foolishness of "natural language programm... by overfeed on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:57PM (#43576887)
> Textbooks aren't just communicating theorems and proofs

Not even maths papers, which are vehicle for theorem's and proofs, are purely symbolic language and equations. Natural language prose is included when appropriate.

Re:Dijkstra On the foolishness of "natural language programm... by umanwizard on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:05PM (#43576034)
Theorems and proofs are almost never written in formal symbolic language.
Re:Dijkstra On the foolishness of "natural language programm... by codebje on Thursday April 03, 2025 @08:31PM (#43577090)
My experience in reading computer science papers is almost exactly the opposite of yours: theorems are almost always written in formal symbolic language. Proofs vary more, from brief prose sketching a simple proof to critical components of proofs given symbolically with prose tying it together.

(Uncommonly, some papers - mostly those related to type theory - go so far as to reference hundreds of lines of machine verified symbolic proofs.)

Re:Dijkstra On the foolishness of "natural language programm... by umanwizard on Thursday April 03, 2025 @08:37PM (#43577138)
Can you give an example of the type of theorem or proof you're talking about?
Re:Dijkstra On the foolishness of "natural language programm... by codebje on Thursday April 03, 2025 @09:52PM (#43577545)
Here's one paper covering the derivation of a typed functional LALR(1) parser in which derivations are given explicitly in symbolic language, while proofs are just prose claims that an inductive proof is similar to the derivation:

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?&q=Hinze%2C%20R.%2C%20Paterson%2C%20R.%3A%20Derivation%20of%20a%20typed%20functional%20LR%20parser%20%282003%29
Here's one for the semantics of the Cedille functional language core in which proofs are given as key components in symbolic language with prose to to tie them together; all theorems, lemmas, etc are given symbolically.

    https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.04709
And here's one introducing dependent intersection types (as used in Cedille) which references formal machine-checked proofs and only provides a sketch of the proof result in prose:

   https://doi.org/10.1109/LICS.2003.1210048
(For the latter, actually finding the machine checked proof might be tricky: I didn't see it overtly cited and I didn't go looking).
Re:Dijkstra On the foolishness of "natural language programm... by xpmatteo on Friday April 04, 2025 @07:53AM (#43580932)
Common expressions such as f = O(n) are not formal at all -- the "=" symbol does not represent equality, and the "n" symbol does not represent a number.