Re:Mozilla launching "Thundermail" email service to take on ...
by kube-system on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:22PM
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> now you've heard of random Canadians and Europeans getting deported or declined entry in the US for random reasons, including one who wrote stuff against Trump
This doesn't happen because people are using gmail. It happens when people post things on social media or get searched at border crossings.
Re:Mozilla launching "Thundermail" email service to take on ...
by palata on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:14PM
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It happens for random, unjustified reasons. Wouldn't you want to protect your data from a country that behaves like that? I sure would.
Re:Mozilla launching "Thundermail" email service to take on ...
by kube-system on Friday April 04, 2025 @09:35AM
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Not using gmail doesn't solve that. If you cross a border you can have your device searched and denied entry if you don't cooperate. If you post on social media, the data is in plaintext for the world to see.
Re:Mozilla launching "Thundermail" email service to take on ...
by palata on Friday April 04, 2025 @05:49PM
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Are you trying to say that you don't need privacy because what you say publicly is public?
I'm not following.
Re:Mozilla launching "Thundermail" email service to take on ...
by kube-system on Sunday April 06, 2025 @01:30PM
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If you say things publicly you have already chosen not to have privacy with regard to those statements.
Re:Mozilla launching "Thundermail" email service to take on ...
by palata on Monday April 07, 2025 @03:07AM
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Sure. And if you say things privately you have chosen to have privacy. Which is very limited if you say your private things on a US service and don't feel like having the US randomly read them and deport you.
That was my point, I'm happy to see that we agree :-).
Re:Mozilla launching "Thundermail" email service to take on ...
by kube-system on Monday April 07, 2025 @10:47AM
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You are misinformed as to the circumstances of the above stories you cited, because that isn't what happened in those situations.
I honestly think that most people don't know why it matters. 20 years ago I was happy (and proud) to have gmail, and didn't see a point in having my domain. Until I chose to move away from gmail, and then it all made sense.
I have an example: many (most?) universities give you an alumni email when you graduate. Some offer actual hosting, but others just ask you to redirect. It is free, and for many universities, graduates would trust their university more than gmail, right? And it wouldn't lock them into gmail. Still, none of my friends from university use it. Most use gmail instead.
Now tell them: "Look, if you use gmail, then Google can read all your emails. You didn't give a shit 4 months ago ("I have nothing to hide"), but now you've heard of random Canadians and Europeans getting deported or declined entry in the US for random reasons, including one who wrote stuff against Trump. How do you feel about the US reading you emails and deciding whether they should deport you or not based on that? If you controlled a domain, you could move away from gmail. Now you can't. Also know that if they can read your emails, it means that they know the flights/hotels/trips you booked, whatever you bought online, and they can just access all your accounts everywhere."
What will they think? "If I was to do it again, I would still use gmail" or "Would actually be nicer if I had been using my alumnus email all along"?