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Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by FrustratedMonky on Thursday April 03, 2025 @09:24AM (#43569258)
How are you not seeing how "extreme libertarians/neo-feudalists" is similar to anarchism?
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by razakel on Thursday April 03, 2025 @09:31AM (#43569355)
Anarchists don't want a king. Neo-feudalists want to be the king.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by sharemywin on Thursday April 03, 2025 @10:23AM (#43570145)
technically they would be closer war lords in my opinion.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by FrustratedMonky on Thursday April 03, 2025 @09:34AM (#43569388)
extreme libertarian's don't.

Maybe don't put libertarians and feudalist together.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by 52-6F-62 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @09:55AM (#43569731)
Peter Thiel most definitely wants a form of kingship though he professes to be a libertarian

I believe it means libertarian in the context of present systems. In their new system, they no longer need to be libertarian. Just absolute ruler. King is even the wrong term.

Dictator

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by FrustratedMonky on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:54PM (#43575945)
I didn't realize. I guess libertarians have morphed into something new.

Can't believe they would be publicly calling for a monarchy, and still call themselves libertarian.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by razakel on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:13PM (#43576595)
It's not the first time they've hijacked the term. It's a smokescreen because they're aware of how unpalatable their beliefs actually are.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by chimpanzee on Thursday April 03, 2025 @10:38AM (#43570362)
Anarchism is not just “no government”, but rather “no rulers”.

Leftist anarchists are acutely aware that power and capital accumulation go hand-in-hand.

Extreme libertarians are perfectly fine with the unfettered accumulation of capital and seemingly ignore that that results in unchecked power. Or they have faith that a “truly” free economy would somehow check itself before becoming effectively neo-feudalistic or dictatorial. As if the lion would fear the zebra.

Leftist-anarchists want to keep power to an absolute minimum. Usually relying on a combination of culture and group action to wield just enough power to prevent the growth of unchecked power in the hands of a few.

In my mind, culture is the key element. The capital-worshipping, me-versus-all culture we live in would fit quite well into extreme-libertarianism and then it would devolve into defacto rule by a few. (As seems to be happening anyways. Because, again, capital accumulates, protects itself and takes power where it can when no one is willing to or allowed to work together to stop it.)

Leftist-anarchism requires a more mature, selfless, introspective, cooperative culture. Anathema to the “United” States of America.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by mr_toad on Thursday April 03, 2025 @03:00PM (#43573887)
> Leftist-anarchists want to keep power to an absolute minimum. Usually relying on a combination of culture and group action to wield just enough power to prevent the growth of unchecked power in the hands of a few.

Most anarchists, just like hard-line communists, seem totally opposed to the idea of private capital at all. To me this seems just as bad and unworkable as allowing unchecked use of capital accumulation for political gain.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by chimpanzee on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:01PM (#43575350)
They are opposed to private capital such as the private ownership of the means of production, eg land and infrastructure.

They are generally not opposed to personal property, especially if the property is actively used.

Extreme libertarians, “anarcho-capitalists”, do not distinguish between productive and nonproductive property. And so they ignore the end result of private ownership and accumulation of the means of production: new rulers in some form.

Opinions on money and currency vary.

Similarly, opinions on wage labor vary, but generally they expect a laborer to receive their full worth, ie wage labor would not see profit extracted from it.