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Re:Waltz's team set up at least 20 Signal group chats for cr... by tw04 on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @06:11PM (#43562283)
No, the democrat's problem is they weren’t willing to just flat out lie. They told the public the truth, basic facts like no, the president doesn’t have the power to unilaterally lower your grocery prices. And whether due to desperation, or lack of education, or otherwise, the voting public chose the proven pathological liar who said he would be the one to lower the price of eggs. Right up until the week after the election when he had to explain why the prices weren’t going down.

There are countless interviews with voters quoting the laughable and provably impossible promises/lies Trump spouted during the last campaign as their reason for voting for him.

If what you’re advocating is that the democrats need to embrace denying reality and lying to the public if they want to win, I can’t disagree with you. But I also think historians won’t have a tough time pointing to the end of the American experiment.

Re:Waltz's team set up at least 20 Signal group chats for cr... by mmooss on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @06:49PM (#43562677)
> They told the public the truth, basic facts like

Just telling people the 'truth' isn't effective communication at all (in fact, it can be dangerous) - that should be obvious to anyone with some experience in life. To tell the 'truth' and then throw up your hands because it didn't work is just being at victim.

A major political party knows all that - it's shameful and corrupt that they don't care to be effective.

Re:Waltz's team set up at least 20 Signal group chats for cr... by jfengel on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @07:11PM (#43562862)
I know it takes more than telling the truth. It's that voters are seeking out obvious lies. That is where I throw up my hands.

I don't expect the voters to love boring truths. But if they actively want to be lied to, and revel in getting away with lies, then democracy is not the tool for me.

Re:Waltz's team set up at least 20 Signal group chats for cr... by ethbr1 on Wednesday April 02, 2025 @11:02PM (#43564227)
If a politician tells an obvious lie, it's not enough to call it a lie.

There has to also be a competing vision.

The Democrats have been stuck in a "That's a lie!" + {crickets} rut for too long.

What is the competing vision? (And no, general platitudes about freedom, democracy, and apple pie aren't enough)