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Re:Abundance Isn't Going to Happen Unless Politicians Are Sc... by ethersteeds on Thursday March 27, 2025 @03:19PM (#43497073)
I think this completely elides the point the gp was making about the edge cases being the hardest part. As siblings have pointed out, even establishing "no damage to the property beyond normal wear and tear" is frequently contentious and not self-evident. Rights (and courts) exist precisely because parties frequently represent the facts of a situation to their maximal benefit.

Also, while reasonable people can agree that there's room to improve the balance on tenants rights, the idea of swinging from "total" to "0" rights based solely on payment status doesn't strike me as the debate's end.

Re:Abundance Isn't Going to Happen Unless Politicians Are Sc... by ReptileMan on Thursday March 27, 2025 @04:52PM (#43498039)
It works wonders for utilities and telcos. You stop paying your bills - your phone is dead, you have no internet and electricity in X days after skipping an invoice. Why should be leasing real estate any different?
Re:Abundance Isn't Going to Happen Unless Politicians Are Sc... by mrguyorama on Thursday March 27, 2025 @05:38PM (#43498486)
This is laughably wrong.

I can stop paying my electricity bill in november and our state's utility companies CANNOT cut me off until the spring, because without heat I would literally die in Maine. There are similar laws for gas utilities.

I can have a billion dollar bill with Verizon, but if I dial 911, they are legally obligated to connect me to emergency services.

Also, ask people who work for utility companies how well any of this works to actually compel payment from the kind of people who are good at abusing debt.

Answer: Fucking not at all. My brother worked for the cable company, rather limited regulation in terms of requiring the company to continue servicing someone who was delinquent. 95% of his job was still disconnects, often involving someone showing up to the door with their rifle to make a point.

Re:Abundance Isn't Going to Happen Unless Politicians Are Sc... by Der_Einzige on Friday March 28, 2025 @02:21AM (#43502110)
All of this is just liberal bullshit that trump and his cronies will eliminate by force (threaten Maine with revoking federal money until they comply).

This idea that the world is so full of structures and systems to protect people is going to be wrong going forward. Person with big stick wins, and instant evictions are good - and your refusal to consider why they would be good is why trump and MAGA are popular and getting more popular.

Re:Abundance Isn't Going to Happen Unless Politicians Are Sc... by defrost on Friday March 28, 2025 @02:28AM (#43502165)
Given there are more renters than landlords it's a literal Laffer Curve of popularity.
Re:Abundance Isn't Going to Happen Unless Politicians Are Sc... by floatrock on Thursday March 27, 2025 @05:27PM (#43498386)
It is expensive to be poor because of feedback loops.

If you lose a job and miss a paycheck this month, maybe you need an extra month to get back on your feet. If you lose housing right away, it's gonna be harder to find a job ("why is your suit wrinkled? why do you smell like you haven't taken a shower in a week?"), which makes it harder to get an apartment that would stabilize things.

We have safety nets so the smallest bump doesn't shoot you right to the bottom.

It shouldn't be indefinite, and the problem is finding how many months of friction should exist before we reach "this aint gonna get better", but instant-cutoff quickly becomes a feedback loop of shit.

Re:Abundance Isn't Going to Happen Unless Politicians Are Sc... by lotsoweiners on Thursday March 27, 2025 @08:21PM (#43499866)
Ok but we have plenty of other safety nets. Govt programs like SNAP, Unemployment, TANF, etc. We have other potential safety nets such as family, churches, various other organizations that help out, friend’s couches. I don’t understand why a small time landlord who probably doesn’t have huge cash flow on a property should be unable to pay the mortgage on the property for 6 months or a year. It doesn’t seem right to me.
Re:Abundance Isn't Going to Happen Unless Politicians Are Sc... by sc68cal on Friday March 28, 2025 @10:22AM (#43505798)
If a landlord can't pay the mortgage then they probably shouldn't be a landlord.
Re:Abundance Isn't Going to Happen Unless Politicians Are Sc... by Braxton1980 on Friday March 28, 2025 @04:50AM (#43503037)
Because they don't cut those off right away, especially electricity.
Re:Abundance Isn't Going to Happen Unless Politicians Are Sc... by ReptileMan on Friday March 28, 2025 @07:36AM (#43504096)
In my country they do. You have 2 weeks delinquency and that's it.