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Re:The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war p... by KerrAvon on Tuesday March 25, 2025 @05:50PM (#43476389)
This is not remotely comparable to the Clinton personal email issue. There was no classified information on Clinton's server. This is a significantly higher level of malfeasance. And the fact that everyone in the group seems perfectly fine with it means they're doing this regularly -- insecure comms are standard operating procedure for these people. They don't care if they leak to Putin, they care that there's no government record.

If the Clinton email server thing was worth a rap on the knuckles, this one requires the immediate firing and possibly prosecution of every single person on that group text, each of whom should have known better.

Re:The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war p... by joshuamerrill on Tuesday March 25, 2025 @05:59PM (#43476469)
The fact that nobody on the thread spoke up and said "we shouldn't be talking about this on Signal" worries me greatly.

One possible explanation is that it happens all the time.

Re:The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war p... by bb88 on Tuesday March 25, 2025 @06:08PM (#43476547)
I think that's the point.

Signal prevents what should be official government communications from being recorded. If it's recorded it can be investigated.

Re:The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war p... by laidoffamazon on Tuesday March 25, 2025 @07:55PM (#43477375)
It likely does, this is one avenue they can converse without Elon or Trump interjecting
Re:The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war p... by donnachangstein on Tuesday March 25, 2025 @06:08PM (#43476545)
> There was no classified information on Clinton's server.

This is absolutely false, or as the kids call it, "misinformation".

A 3 second Google search confirms:

100 emails contained information that should have been deemed classified at the time they were sent, including 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret". An additional 2,093 emails were retroactively designated confidential by the State Department.

The whole issue with her emails is she purposely never labeled anything so as to have plausible deniability.

Re:The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war p... by watwut on Tuesday March 25, 2025 @06:14PM (#43476610)
Nah, the whole outrage with her emails was performative outrage and hypocrisy. And no, they were not nearly comparable to what happened here nor to what DOGE does. Nor to what Trump did in the past.

"But here emails" was just republicans doing what they always do and pretending to be angry over mild stuff while giving own people pass over big stuff.

Re:The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war p... by drdeca on Tuesday March 25, 2025 @06:25PM (#43476706)
Not claiming that it is comparable, nor am I upset by it, but, one oughtn’t claim that there was nothing confidential there if there was, in fact, confidential stuff in there. I don’t care if this makes it easier for other people to make a narrative. If someone makes a false claim in these kinds of discussions, the false claim should be corrected.
Re:The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war p... by jarpadat on Tuesday March 25, 2025 @08:00PM (#43477407)
I suppose a different claim strikes me as false. "should have been deemed classified at the time they were sent" is one thing, "there was, in fact, confidential stuff in there" is a different thing.

I think a decent case can be made that one rounds up to the other, but I guess that case seems more like an argument to be made than a fact to be corrected.

Re:The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war p... by bb88 on Tuesday March 25, 2025 @08:31PM (#43477619)
Just because something isn't labeled classified doesn't make it not classified. If you work anywhere with classified information, you are expected to know certain information is classified, or may become classified later. You may not always know the latter, but you should know the former.

I'm not going to defend classifying embarrassing information because it's well -- embarrassing. But the established trend is to classify information "just to be safe" and let someone else make the declassifying decisions, particularly someone that's not you.

There was a weird issue with Wikileaks in that publicly released information was still considered classified, and any documents must be still treated as such.

Was that silly, yes. This led to a weird issue where journalists and members of the public had more access to certain classified documents than people holding clearances.

Re:The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war p... by watwut on Wednesday March 26, 2025 @04:31AM (#43480025)
The factual claim made in the comment was "The whole issue with her emails is she purposely never labeled anything so as to have plausible deniability." This is not true. This is made up post rationalization and again. It even can not be proven or disproven by whether there was some possibly maybe secret information.

That thing where one side is given unbelievable benefit of the doubt that literally ignores what was happening or is happening is not healthy.

Re:The Trump administration accidentally texted me its war p... by trhway on Tuesday March 25, 2025 @06:01PM (#43476489)
It is significantly more severe than the diplomatic cables and the other leaks that Assange and Manning each did a decade for.