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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by dmos62 on Monday March 24, 2025 @06:39AM (#43459366)
I liked a comment by Sarah C. Paine, about how Communism is a really great system for taking power from within a state (think Mao), and then staying in power, but it's horrible for generating prosperity. When evaluating the choices of certain people, it's clarifying to not think in terms of prosperity, but, rather, power. I think there's a case to be made about Trump seeing advantage in making enemies of his political rivals' allies, and then there's that whole weird situation about making Russia-favoring decisions, who knows why.
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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by epolanski on Monday March 24, 2025 @07:18AM (#43459622)
The same Sarah Paine that speaks about how China lifted 1B+ people out of poverty and created tens of millions of millionaires?
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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by dmos62 on Monday March 24, 2025 @08:10AM (#43460027)
Sarah C. Paine, the professor of strategy and policy at the U.S. Naval War College. I'm not aware of what you're talking about.
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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by epolanski on Monday March 24, 2025 @10:43AM (#43461686)
That was who I was referring to as well.
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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by dmos62 on Monday March 24, 2025 @12:17PM (#43462717)
I'm not sure what your point was. Are you contesting the numbers she cites?
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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by bufferoverflow on Monday March 24, 2025 @07:26AM (#43459678)
Largely after abandoning damaging communist ideas and allowing private business to exist.

China is no longer communist, it's this weird hybrid of capitalism with heavy government controls and heavy censorship.

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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by croissants on Monday March 24, 2025 @07:55AM (#43459876)
Yeah, The Economist regularly writes these articles that spend half the time praising the intense competition in certain sectors of the economy and half the time bemoaning the influence of state-owned enterprises (or other CCP instruments) in others. It seems to vary a lot by specific industry.
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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by navigate8310 on Monday March 24, 2025 @07:40AM (#43459782)
Which is owned by the Government
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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by flohofwoe on Monday March 24, 2025 @07:49AM (#43459834)
> China is no longer communist, it's this weird hybrid of capitalism with heavy government controls and heavy censorship.

I think the established term is 'state capitalism'.

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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by GardenLetter27 on Monday March 24, 2025 @07:35AM (#43459747)
In some areas China is even becoming more liberal than the EU.

Look at DeepSeek.

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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by dmos62 on Tuesday March 25, 2025 @07:02AM (#43469839)
In my mind, Communism as exhibited by modern China is more defined by the dictatorship style, than the economy style, not that economy is independent of it. So, I'd consider the chinese communism vs western democracy a more enlightnening contrast.
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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by ttyprintk on Monday March 24, 2025 @08:47AM (#43460448)
Isnt it objectively true that China is the only country to lift 500m people from poverty? The debate is whether the power to do that needs to come from a single party so powerful it can starve 50m without repercussion.
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Re:Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site––wha... by HDThoreaun on Monday March 24, 2025 @08:57AM (#43460544)
Which happened immediately after they abandoned the planned economy
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