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Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by andy12_ on Monday March 10, 2025 @07:29AM (#43319332)
Because ad revenue can be used for the non-profit? Ecosia's whole thing is that when you use it, you indirectly help plant trees - "the search engine that plants trees".
Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by jksflkjl3jk3 on Monday March 10, 2025 @07:40AM (#43319431)
Do they disclose what percentage of their revenue is donated?

If it's just a token amount, then I'd rather not support a marketing gimmick and would prefer to just donate directly to an organization focused on trees. If it's a significant amount, then it seems unlikely that they'll be able to compete with for-profit alternatives that can focus on developing the best product.

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by MrToadMan on Monday March 10, 2025 @07:48AM (#43319499)
You can explore the amount paid out to projects by month, region and partner projects in those regions here: https://blog.ecosia.org/ecosia-financial-reports-tree-planti...
Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by scarfaceneo on Monday March 10, 2025 @08:59AM (#43320119)
You can donate to an organisation and use their search engine.
Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by cdblades on Monday March 10, 2025 @09:15AM (#43320254)
But are you donating to an organization to plant trees?

What has the lower barrier of entry: making a point to donate your money, or switching your default search engine?

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by lxgr on Monday March 10, 2025 @10:10AM (#43320841)
Definitely switching default search engines.
Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by notTooFarGone on Monday March 10, 2025 @09:47AM (#43320568)
So by your definition it should not exist, but it does and they donate non negligible amounts.

So where is your fault?

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by mrweasel on Monday March 10, 2025 @12:33PM (#43322292)
I really struggle to understand your confusion. How do you think normal companies work?

Ecosia is profitable, they take some percentage of that profit and use to plant trees. In a "normal" company that money goes straight into the pockets of the company owners. Profit is measured after investments into R&D, salary, marketing everything that come with running a business.

Sure they could "just" spend more on developing their product, but from what I can see they don't really need to, it's already a good product. So rather than stuffing the pockets of an owner or shareholders, they donate that profit, or parts of it, to organisations that plants trees. Most people wouldn't donate to a tree planting organisation, but they will switch their search engine, if it's good enough and even if that plant only 100 trees, that's better than no trees.

I worked for a company that spends it's profit on helping sick children. The owners make enough money. They donate over €1.000.000 per year to a foundation, rather than putting that money into the pocket of the owners. The customers might not even know that they support that foundation, but that also doesn't matter as long as they get the products they want and the price they want. Your suggestion is that the owners should pocket that cash, and I should go donate to that foundation directly?

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by jefftk on Monday March 10, 2025 @01:28PM (#43322892)
> In a "normal" company that money goes straight into the pockets of the company owners.

Only if the company returns money to its shareholders (ex: pays a dividend or does a stock buyback). Many growth-focused companies don't do this -- Amazon didn't do it for its first 22y, Google for its first 17, Netflix for 24, etc.

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by mrweasel on Monday March 10, 2025 @01:53PM (#43323304)
Ecosia isn't an stock based company (AG), it's a GmbH.
Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by SahAssar on Monday March 10, 2025 @03:40PM (#43325026)
A gmbh is basically equivalent to a LLC (US) or a Ltd (UK) from my understanding. A gmbh can still be stock based.
Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by culi on Monday March 10, 2025 @11:24PM (#43328875)
Yup, their financial reports are completely public and transparent. As a non-profit you could also access that data through other means

https://blog.ecosia.org/ecosia-financial-reports-tree-planti...

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by lxgr on Monday March 10, 2025 @10:13AM (#43320867)
But GP raises a good point: Are these two things that benefit from any kind of synergy in terms of skills required by the employees working there, target audience etc.?

If not, it generally seems like a better idea to keep the two concerns separate in two different non-profit organizations. (I don't think it would be a problem for one non-profit to donate funds to another, especially if doing so was explicitly stated as its goal when it's incorporated.)

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by andy12_ on Monday March 10, 2025 @10:48AM (#43321279)
It seems they kind of do this already. [1] "We send out payments to different partners each month to plant and protect trees in biodiversity hotspots across the globe."

[1] https://blog.ecosia.org/ecosia-financial-reports-tree-planti...

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by moooo99 on Monday March 10, 2025 @11:21AM (#43321592)
Ecosia themselves does not really plant trees. Instead they pay out money to different projects all around the world.

They are very transparent about it. They list the amounts paid, the partners, the tree species, etc.

They are also fairly efficient from what you can tell by their reports.

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by lxgr on Monday March 10, 2025 @11:40AM (#43321770)
I didn't assume so, but they still do two things: Making money, and picking a purpose of what to do with it (in this case, planting trees).

As somewhat of a sympathizer of effective altruism (the idea of efficiency being an important factor in charities, not necessarily the implementation and even less the community), this isn't super appealing to me.

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by tasuki on Monday March 10, 2025 @04:56PM (#43325984)
> Making money, and picking a purpose of what to do with it

Who doesn't? Why else would one make money other than to do something with it?

If they didn't make money, how would they support the tree-planting?

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by lxgr on Monday March 10, 2025 @06:52PM (#43327048)
Via direct, tax-deductible monetary donations.

This just seems like a donation with complicated extra steps, in the same way that e.g. "rounding up to charity" or even "round up savings" do not appeal to me at all.

That might well be an idiosyncratic preference, and to some the idea of "planting trees via running web searches" might appeal much more than a nonprofit search engine that donates to a basket of charities, or one that directly pays the user for showing them ads and lets them decide what to do with the money and then the user donating the proceeds themselves.

Re:Trees not profits: we're giving up our right to ever sell... by culi on Monday March 10, 2025 @11:22PM (#43328864)
Their youtube channel covers what their partner orgs do in depth. It's a pretty cool channel if you ever wanna watch local organizations around the world trying to safeguard their natural communities