US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by goodluckchuck on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:05PM (#43311110)

The war is the genocide. Putin’s invasion would have killed thousands, maybe tens of thousands and been over in a week. Western involvement changed that into the deaths of hundreds of thousands. What more effective means of self-genocide could Europe conceive? Germany cannot exactly round up a whole class of their own for slaughter again in their current political environment. The West (England, Germany, France, etc) caused WWI and WWII not Russia. Now we (America) should trust their vision to avoid WWIII? We should be clear who the problem is and stay out of it.

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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by AppleAtCha on Sunday March 09, 2025 @03:15PM (#43312606)

This is such incredibly twisted logic. I would have honestly been aghast to see this on HN a few years ago, but now the site seems nearly as infected as Facebook or X with this.

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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by bloopernova on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:23PM (#43311341)

Ukraine remembers this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

For Ukraine to continue existing, the russians have to be driven out. Otherwise the genocide will continue. The genocide caused by russians, caused by russians invading Ukraine, caused by russians stealing Ukraine's children.

In america's right wing trump followers, there is utter, sociopathic, monstrous indifference to Ukraine's suffering.

So I'll ask you, personally: If the neighbouring state or country decided to invade and take over an area of your state, and you were told "you've been resisting too long, give in already and give up your fight", would you lay down and welcome the invaders you've been fighting? If you knew that the invaders were stealing children, and murdering whole towns?

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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by goodluckchuck on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:39PM (#43311559)

You should not conflate Stalin with Russia. The socialists and communists were terrible for everyone everywhere they went…

I’m not blaming Ukrainians for fighting. I am saying it is evil to give Ukraine only enough to suffer. However Europe again has socialists in power and it again means death for Ukrainians.

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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by throwaway48476 on Sunday March 09, 2025 @04:47PM (#43313612)

As opposed to Russians in power which means death for Ukrainians?

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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by monkey_monkey on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:43PM (#43311616)

If the West had just let Mr Hitler do what he wanted, so many deaths would have been avoided.

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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by userbinator on Sunday March 09, 2025 @04:04PM (#43313156)

The US didn't get involved until Pearl Harbor.

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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by nikcub on Sunday March 09, 2025 @04:48PM (#43313635)

FDR bending the Neutrality Act to support France and Britain is an important part of WW2 history - he was doing it before the invasion of Poland.

It's exactly what the Ukrainians are asking for - not troops, just weapons.

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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by throwaway48476 on Sunday March 09, 2025 @04:48PM (#43313622)

If Woodrow Wilson hadn't drawn Europe's borders to cause conflict many deaths could have been avoided.

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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by artem2471 on Sunday March 09, 2025 @05:11PM (#43313871)

You know buddy, I was there in Kyiv in that first week of invasion, and you know, the Western involvement was no where to be found, except for some infantry weapons (thanks for that). Again, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians joined the military with full understanding that Russia has more of everything, that foreign support may not come and so on.

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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by goodluckchuck on Monday March 10, 2025 @12:45PM (#43322395)

Yes, the primary effect of the war has been to kill young European men, and both Russia and Ukraine… and now perhaps England and others are all too eager to see it happen.

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