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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by closewith on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:25PM (#43310638)
For economics (both sides) healthcare, labour, "defense", energy, firearms, speech, religion and basic human rights, both main parties in the US are far right by Western standards (and true outliers for most).

It's really only identity politics where the left is actually on the global left, and then it's far-left.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by gruez on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:51PM (#43310951)
>For economics (both sides) healthcare, labour, "defense", energy

Those are arguably closer to "economic" than "social". Energy is plainly economic. Even healthcare and labor at the end of the day, boil down to dollars and cents (ie. how much people are paying for healthcare and how much they earn).

>speech

Having the strongest free speech protections in the world is "far right" now?

>religion

The Republicans might be "far right" on religion, but I don't see how the Democrats are. They can certainly be more secular (think the CCP), but at least they're not obviously religious. Compare this to the UK and Denmark which have state regions, and the christian democratic union in Germany.

>basic human rights

Clarify. "basic human rights" has been muddled by the left to include mean stuff like "healthcare", as well as the right to mean "right of babies not not get aborted" and "kids not being groomed".

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by bigfudge on Sunday March 09, 2025 @04:48PM (#43313634)
If you think the UK state religion is in any way relevant to this then you are sorely mistaken. The Church of England has little to no influence on daily politics and is a historical oddity. All political parties, left and right, are essentially secular. Religious politicians basically have to keep their faith quiet while gaining and maintaining office. Blair is a good example of this.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by vanviegen on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:00PM (#43311042)
> It's really only identity politics where the left is actually on the global left, and then it's far-left.

That rings true, but how did the US get here? How did identity politics suddenly come to be the most important thing, bringing the world order to its knees?

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by bigfudge on Sunday March 09, 2025 @04:50PM (#43313652)
I don’t actually think it’s far left though. And they are certainly much less effective than other socially liberal parties in Europe. In the UK it was our right wing party that legalised gay marriage, for example. Europe is a lot more woke than the US (and a good thing too)
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by vanviegen on Monday March 10, 2025 @05:17AM (#43318407)
The American left seems to be very focused on making sure nobody will ever need to feel even the slightest bit offended or pressured. Best intentions, I'm sure, but I don't think that's an achievable or even a desirable goal. A healthy society requires a certain amount of peaceful friction.

Europe seems to be following America's lead (as we always do/did), but it hasn't reached the same extremes and probably won't, imho.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by moomin on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:45PM (#43311643)
US is still pretty far-right on social policy by the standards of most of Europe. This is an average, there’s lot of outliers such as even the proper left in France being weird about Muslim dress.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by derektank on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:52PM (#43310966)
Since when is defending freedom of speech a right wing issue?
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by karparov on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:48PM (#43311676)
It will soon stop being considered that, when Trump and Musk keep widening their censorship apparatus.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by sangnoir on Sunday March 09, 2025 @03:48PM (#43313001)
College campuses are already a 1A-free zone with the intention to deport "anti-Semitic" students