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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by lolinder on Sunday March 09, 2025 @11:28AM (#43309900)
> The Biden administration successfully placed tons of factories all over the country with tax incentives for clean energy, but those factories could never trumpet what they were doing because hate for Democrats and for Biden and for clean energy is stronger than any desire for jobs

Nothing has changed here. It's doesn't matter what they've claimed they're doing, there are still no jobs here and working class Americans feel abandoned.

The vast majority of Trump voters around here voted for him because of the economy. The trans stuff was seen as evidence that the Democrats were so wrapped up in first world problems held by a tiny minority that they didn't even notice that the majority of the country was actively struggling to make ends meet. It's not about the trans people, it's about the narrative that Trump shaped about how that related to these people's economic lives.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by tayo42 on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:16PM (#43310531)
They fell for misinformation because the economy was improving.

People don't realize the economy isn't just a switch with good and bad

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by ta988 on Sunday March 09, 2025 @11:40AM (#43310069)
And for sure dismantling social security and all the safety nets including medicaid will help them feel welcomed again...
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by TheBlight on Sunday March 09, 2025 @11:55AM (#43310260)
How is social security being dismantled? What exactly are you talking about? Do you even know?
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by lolinder on Sunday March 09, 2025 @11:42AM (#43310088)
As I said, they're wrong about the medicine, but Trump wins by being the first to acknowledge that there's a serious problem.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by bavell on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:01PM (#43310344)
I applaud you for trying, but HN doesn't want reason or understanding w.r.t trump or his voters. Way easier to label everyone/everything as fascist nazis and stick your head in the sand.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by lolinder on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:07PM (#43310420)
Thanks. I know. I'm here every few weeks with a fresh attempt. It went over better before the inauguration, but now that Trump is actually implementing the policies that he campaigned on it's a bit harder for people to stomach the idea that his voters are anything other than orcs.

I'll probably give it a rest here for a few more weeks.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by monkey_monkey on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:37PM (#43310791)
> I'll probably give it a rest here for a few more weeks.

Even though you are the only person on HN who understands the working American, you deserve a rest.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by lolinder on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:44PM (#43310880)
Nah, there are plenty of us here, we've just mostly gone underground in the face of the mindless hate and anger that's been dominant the last month or two. Echo chambers are self-reinforcing that way.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by monkey_monkey on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:38PM (#43311549)
You are a brave soldier - almost a true resistance hero. Chapeau.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by coryrc on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:27PM (#43310662)
He's not the first in the slightest.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by lolinder on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:30PM (#43310689)
In the last 30 years, which other nominee for president by one of the two parties that matter has made addressing the struggles of working class America the center of their platform?
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by coryrc on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:56PM (#43310999)
That's moving the goalposts. There are plenty of candidates for Congress they voted against as well.

But, sure, how about Barack Obama? https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/fact-sheet-creatin... The one who created the hated Obamacare, but they rebelled when their R representatives threatened to cancel the ACA.

No, they're the byproduct of a failed educational system and culture of unearned entitlement. They expect others to save them from drug addiction while doing every possible to prevent help. And they only have this power because of the Senate represents land instead of people.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by deeg on Sunday March 09, 2025 @05:43PM (#43314207)
The CHIPS act was not only an acknowledgement of the problem it was actually doing something about it.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by sorenjan on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:35PM (#43310760)
I'm not American, but the issue I saw time and time again from Americans getting interviewed by various news organizations was inflation, specifically food prices. So many people said that food was cheaper when Trump was president, so they want him and his food prices back. This is of course totally disregarding that the rest of the world also had massive inflation, and most of it comes from increased oil prices because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and governments printing money to use for Covid stimulus. The tariffs probably didn't help either, but I don't know how many of those Biden kept so I don't know if any side can be blamed there. I doubt all these new tariffs will help though.

I actually saw a couple people saying that they've received a check from Trump during Covid, and mentioned that as a clear reason to vote for him. I thought it sounded dumb when I saw that he insisted on having his name on the stimulus checks, but apparently it worked. I also saw some people, southern women and big city black men, saying that they definitely didn't want a female president. That was probably part of why Hillary lost, and making the same play this time wasn't very wise from the democrats, although I would probably blame Biden for not dropping out earlier and leaving them very little choice.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by nebula8804 on Monday March 10, 2025 @01:02AM (#43317154)
Maybe its more relative prices have gone up. Europeans were already used to paying more so paying even more is part of the norm. However things have been really cheap in the US for a long time. Taking the inflation as a whole(ie. not just looking at egg prices) this is likely the beginning of a long term permanent inflation that is coming due to things like China possibly aging out of manufacturing and the replacements being more expensive. People think they can turn back the clock so they try. Eventually they will be forced to get used to the new reality.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by Aloha on Sunday March 09, 2025 @12:59PM (#43311034)
IMO - the trans stuff feels like a moral panic, like on the same level as the Satanic Panic of the 80's - or the violence in video games panic, or any number of other things - I'm just waiting for the storm to blow over.

All of this is made much worse by social media too, which fans the flames hotter than it ever could have been before.