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Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by anon373839 on Saturday March 08, 2025 @09:50AM (#43300693)
> Tesla's claim to fame was being the longest range fastest EVs

That's true, and they are insanely fast. But I will never forget when the Model S was released and was competing against flagships like the 7 series and S class. When I tried one out, my overwhelming first impression was: this is it? And that was 2012. And it's still basically the same car!

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by api on Saturday March 08, 2025 @11:51AM (#43301532)
I've heard it described as the most advanced drive train in the world with the body of a 1990s Kia on top.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by jjav on Saturday March 08, 2025 @01:49PM (#43302454)
But a 1990s Kia had proper physical controls for everything.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by genewitch on Sunday March 09, 2025 @04:33AM (#43307297)
So kind of like the Mitsubishi Evo X?

The frame and body and interior was garbage. That drive train though.

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by avalys on Saturday March 08, 2025 @08:39PM (#43305358)
The interior of the Model S was, and remains, appallingly cheap. It felt like a 1990s Chrysler minivan with all the buttons removed.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by tw04 on Saturday March 08, 2025 @09:09PM (#43305517)
It’s actually gone backwards since then. They removed things like the rain sensor for the automatic wipers, and turn signal and drive stalks. To improve the car? Nope, to cut dollars off the cost of a car that can hit six figures in price.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by amluto on Saturday March 08, 2025 @10:48PM (#43306009)
I think the removal of the drive stalk added cost.

AIUI, it turns out that the ability to select drive vs reverse is considered safety critical, so it has to work even if the infotainment system is not operational. This involves something along the lines of a dual-port touch sensor so that an independent, higher-reliability system can detect the gesture to change direction, and the hardware for that is not free. And the “gear shift” stalk was simple and cheap.

I haven’t tried it in an appropriate model Tesla, but I suspect you can trigger an infotainment reboot using whatever the current button press combination is, and then, before it finishes rebooting, select drive or reverse by swiping the left edge of the screen, and it will work.

Score one for car regulations doing the right thing? Maybe, but this all misses the mark, because how many people will know to do the ridiculous swipe on an invisible target when the need to get out of the way of an emergency vehicle and their infotainment system isn’t working.

(I don’t know about newer Teslas, but infotainment glitches on older models are common.)

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by pests on Saturday March 08, 2025 @11:39PM (#43306289)
I believe there are semi-hidden PRND buttons in the headliner behind/around the rear view mirror for the stalkless Tesla.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by laserlight on Sunday March 09, 2025 @07:02AM (#43307966)
> Model S was released and was competing against flagships like the 7 series and S class

That was Tesla's sales pitch. Model S was no competitor for Mercedes-Benz S-Class. It competed against the E-Class.