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Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by bombcar on Friday March 07, 2025 @11:25AM (#43291494)
Windows XP was a downer for many when it came out because it wasn't Windows 98SE++ (and Windows ME was a flop) - it was Windows 2000 with a "fisher price" skin.

For those in the know, that was great. Windows XP + classic theme + drivers (even if you had to find the W2k drivers) was incredibly stable and performant.

But it took a few years for games to catch up and get the updates, and so for the "tech oriented" crowd (which were often gamers), it took a bit to catch on.

But its longevity is a tribute to how "good it was" and how hard it was to improve from it. Vista introduced more stability at the expense of requiring new drivers, so they re-released Vista a few years later as 7 (there's really no major differences between Vista and 7 except a few years of upgrades to drivers and hardware).

The five years between XP and Vista certainly didn't help matters, either. If you wait that long, you better be willing to support it for decades. Windows XP's last update was 18 years after it was shipped.

Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by estebank on Friday March 07, 2025 @11:56AM (#43291805)
The funny thing about XP is that it indirectly made running 2000 as a daily driver a better proposition, because all of a sudden consumer hardware and software was being made to work on an NT kernel.

XP also had the benefit of riding Moore's law for so long that the "high hardware requirements" became lower than the cheapest hardware you could buy halfway through its useful lifetime, which helps with its perception.

Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by bombcar on Friday March 07, 2025 @04:55PM (#43295178)
I remember editing XP drive INF files so that I could install them on W2K, which I did for a year or so before finally moving to XP with a new system.
Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by cogman10 on Friday March 07, 2025 @11:50AM (#43291731)
Vista suffered from being stuck in PM hell. MS was working on so many new features for longhorn that were never fully finished and later scrapped. The only real significant (and important) change was the HAL.
Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by p_ing on Friday March 07, 2025 @12:12PM (#43291949)
WDDM was a huge improvement. UAC was also an improvement against shatter attacks but too aggressive in Vista.
Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by bombcar on Friday March 07, 2025 @04:58PM (#43295209)
That was another thing Windows 7 "won" on by just being later; by the time it came out many of the major programs that had huge UAC issues were updated and resolved.
Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by BeFlatXIII on Friday March 07, 2025 @11:53AM (#43291767)
I would've loved Vista if it looked like the early Longhorn builds.
Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by wkat4242 on Friday March 07, 2025 @12:30PM (#43292126)
Oh yeah that filesystem whatever it was called sounded really revolutionary.
Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by bombcar on Friday March 07, 2025 @07:18PM (#43296255)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinFS - it's sad, there really hasn't been much done in filesystems, but there's a lot that could be done.
Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by pxoe on Friday March 07, 2025 @12:56PM (#43292371)
It introduced volume mixer (which stays kinda beloved and sought out even now) (and also WASAPI), search in start (hit start and type, which is now everywhere), snipping tool (which is made even better in windows 11), etc., there's actually a bunch of features there that either get overlooked or misattributed to windows 7, which is kinda interesting. Check out this article about them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista
Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by bombcar on Friday March 07, 2025 @04:57PM (#43295196)
I remember the start menu search and related search things (both for windows and Mac OS, remember Sherlock?) being so absolutely dog slow and even worse after upgrade/fresh install.

That all went away as SSDs came on the market, but it was a noticeable "downgrade" from teh snappy.

Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by h2zizzle on Friday March 07, 2025 @11:50AM (#43291736)
I'm one of the few people who liked 8. I didn't mind the start screen and I was disappointed when 10 took away my Charms bar and related gestures, and remain livid over the Windows Update/telemetry situation. I understood what they were doing: with the phone and tablet OSes, the goal was a unified ecosystem like Apple's. Effortless movement between form factors. They didn't do themselves any favors by only sort of delivering on that promise, but the main problem was that no one explained the fundamental dynamic: Apple is a cult, Microsoft is a jail. So while the users of the former's OSes will happily rationalize or ignore even negative changes, Microsoft's users are always somewhat resentful, no matter what. This was the curse of their effective monopoly. Something finally snapped with 8's failure, giving us MS' apparent abandonment of any pretense and an evolution toward a Google-like "users are the product" attitude.

The Ghost of Bushes Past continue to haunt us, I suppose.

Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by skydhash on Friday March 07, 2025 @12:39PM (#43292204)
While I liked Win 7 more, I didn't mind Win 8.1. But convergence won't happen. Everyone is quick to forget that the devices are actually in different physical forms when interacting with them.

I think Gnome 3 is the most successful, because their utilities and first party apps have the right kind of compromise while not trying to enforce their view on other software workflow. iPad OS would have been great too, if they went for a free floating windows management and some widget redesign instead of the awkward stage manager.

Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by bombcar on Friday March 07, 2025 @04:59PM (#43295216)
The tiles thing that Microsoft tried for one of the iterations of Windows Phone was actually quite nice, I forget the OS that kind of went with that, but - they never doubled down on it and abandoned that phone OS soon afterwards.
Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by bitwize on Friday March 07, 2025 @11:35AM (#43291593)
Windows XP was the beginning of the downhill slide for me because it was the first "phone home" version of Windows.

I'm not gonna gainsay anyone who says it was good, I'm sure they have lots of legitimate fond memories of Space Cadet Pinball, Half-Life 2, etc. But the Windows XP era was the first one where "what's happening with Windows" just passed me by. I was through with Microsoft's shenanigans starting around then.

Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by bombcar on Friday March 07, 2025 @05:01PM (#43295232)
Hehe even today I still remember FCKGW and using it on completely legitimate copies just to avoid having to find whatever the actual one was.
Re:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build by bitwize on Friday March 07, 2025 @08:13PM (#43296597)
Yeah I missed out on using what I call the "FuCKinG Windows" code. I was able to commit to Linux full time, even find work in it.