Buy European Made. Support European Values

Re:Buy European Made. Support European Values by ssssvd on Thursday March 06, 2025 @06:31AM (#43278953)

Wouldn't you implicitly support Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Nvidia, Intel, Dell/HP, Snowflake/Databricks, Datadog, etc. with almost every sale though? For many European businesses, infrastructure and platform costs likely exceed their own margins. In that sense, a lot of European businesses are really just "value-added resellers" of US hardware and platforms.

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Re:Buy European Made. Support European Values by pastage on Thursday March 06, 2025 @06:44AM (#43279075)

Agreed Europe has never had to care about that because we have always supported the US. Now there is always Loongson/Zhaoxin to base your infra on. Considering the way the US is heading you might see people considering a "neutral party" in the war.

AWS is nice and all not unique though.

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Re:Buy European Made. Support European Values by ssssvd on Thursday March 06, 2025 @07:00AM (#43279216)

You absolutely could go bare-metal with emerging local platforms and a Chinese stack — that’s the path Russia (and obviously China itself) is heading down. But...

Equinix? US. Digital Realty? US. NTT? Japan. Interxion? US. CyrusOne? US. That’s your top five DC/colo operators in Europe.

Same story with Tier-1 and Tier-1.5 ISPs.

It’s not just software. It’s not even just hardware. It’s the whole stack — down to power grids, land property rights, and regulatory frameworks.

Nationalization? Multidecade supply chain reconfiguration? Trillions in investment to rebuild local capacity — likely still with deep reliance on China for core infra components.

Europe isn’t just "a bit dependent" — it’s completely entangled.

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Re:Buy European Made. Support European Values by surgical_fire on Thursday March 06, 2025 @07:27AM (#43279441)

And that is not an excuse to do nothing. Much to the opposite, it should be an acknowledgement of risk, and that steps should be taken to have an infrastructure less dependent on foreign nations. Especially when they are hostile, such as the US right now.

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Re:Buy European Made. Support European Values by ssssvd on Thursday March 06, 2025 @08:38AM (#43280041)

Would the investor even outlive the investment though? Imagine building data centers in the UK — only to get Brexit halfway through.

Any long-term, shared investment relies on continuous, guaranteed political and economic unity. Today it’s the US that’s hostile — but how confident can you be that tomorrow it won’t be a PiS-led Poland, or even an AfD-led Germany?

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Re:Buy European Made. Support European Values by surgical_fire on Thursday March 06, 2025 @08:58AM (#43280230)

Every sort of investiment of any magnitude is subject to risk, and some of those are geopolitical in nature.

Is Europe less stable than other countries?

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Re:Buy European Made. Support European Values by pastage on Friday March 07, 2025 @07:21AM (#43289576)

I do not think completely entangled is a problem, it is just that there will be actual reasons to look for alternatives how ever bad they are. Considering that the EU is under fire from the current president of the US it is going to affect how people think in the EU.

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