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Re:MacBook Air M4 by brk on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @12:21PM (#43269510)
I've never really felt this way, and have used all kinds of screens of various resolutions, sizes, technologies, etc. For 99% of the typical use cases (chats, email, doom scrolling, etc.) there just is not a big enough perceptible difference for most buyers.

Screen refresh rate arguments are starting to have hints of audiophile discussions.

Re:MacBook Air M4 by hnuser123456 on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @12:57PM (#43269957)
I flatly will not buy any monitor, laptop, phone, tablet, or TV with a refresh rate below 120hz. I had 120hz 1080p over DVI-dual link in 2010. I can accept graphically demanding games going down to ~50 fps, but for UI interactivity and navigation, I'll take 120hz+ only.
Re:MacBook Air M4 by mvanbaak on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @05:03PM (#43273269)
And there you are, watching a movie on that 120p+ tv. You do k ow the movie is only 24p right?
Re:MacBook Air M4 by hnuser123456 on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @06:06PM (#43274008)
I also (hopefully) don't have to interact with any UI while the movie is playing, but if I did, I'd want that UI running at 120hz. Maybe TV streamers will start advertising 120hz output soon. Maybe I should just replace my streamer with a spare PC that can output 120.
Re:MacBook Air M4 by volemo on Thursday March 06, 2025 @01:31AM (#43277077)
> Maybe TV streamers will start advertising 120hz output soon.

120 Hz won’t make a difference on a TV box, imo, as abysmal state of their UI is far greater of a problem. High refresh rate is nothing when a transition takes seconds and when scroll is jittery even by 60 Hz standards. :(

Re:MacBook Air M4 by kbolino on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @08:35PM (#43275204)
While 3:2 pulldown isn't atrocious, a 120Hz screen does have the advantage that it's a simple multiple of 24 fps, which can't be said of 60Hz.
Re:MacBook Air M4 by meindnoch on Thursday March 06, 2025 @05:19AM (#43278459)
Movie cameras have something called "shutter angle".

A computer UI is basically a movie with 0 shutter angle, which looks super jerky at low framerates.

Re:MacBook Air M4 by meindnoch on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @01:08PM (#43270093)
Going 60hz → 120hz: "Meh, I guess it's smoother? Whatever..."

Going 120hz → 60hz: "WTF? Why is it so choppy? Am I accidentally in low battery mode?"

It's similar to going back to non-retina displays after getting used to retina resolution.

Re:MacBook Air M4 by forty on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @06:02PM (#43273962)
The good news is that human brain is amazing and will probably revert to reasonable perception if you use your non retina 60Hz screen for long enough :)
Re:MacBook Air M4 by volemo on Thursday March 06, 2025 @01:34AM (#43277104)
What conclusion do I draw from this? “Stay away from high refresh rate screens not to spoil myself” :D
Re:MacBook Air M4 by nasretdinov on Thursday March 06, 2025 @02:01AM (#43277259)
That's actually not a bad recommendation if you want to keep sanity as a tech enthusiast :). Otherwise you start noticing how much stuff still hasn't been upgraded to support high dpi and high refresh rate and you can't go back
Re:MacBook Air M4 by volemo on Thursday March 06, 2025 @05:43AM (#43278603)
Sadly, I’ve already tasted the forbidden fruit of HiDPI, so I do understand the feelings of 120 Hz aficionado. :’(
Re:MacBook Air M4 by meindnoch on Thursday March 06, 2025 @04:45AM (#43278256)
The key takeaway is: it hurts more to lose something, than it made you happy when you received it.

From this you may reach enlightenment.