Re:Asteroid fragments upend theory of how life on Earth bloomed
by roxolotl on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @11:11AM
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That’s definitively helpful thank you. I guess I’m still surprised that this finding is being taken to mean left handed molecules couldn’t have come from asteroids. If anything it seems to me to increase the likelihood of the panspermia hypothesis.
Re:Asteroid fragments upend theory of how life on Earth bloomed
by jcranmer on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @11:43AM
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The reason this makes panspermia less likely is that the panspermia hypothesis would prefer to put the point at which all amino acids become L-amino acids before arrival on Earth, whereas the evidence is that the amino acids on this asteroid is before that point.
Re:Asteroid fragments upend theory of how life on Earth bloomed
by roxolotl on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @03:30PM
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That makes sense. I’m just thinking statistically though. All we’ve proven is that some asteroids have R-amino acids. If it’s a 50/50 shot you could easily find a dozen R asteroids because it starts to look really bad for it being a 50/50 split.
I guess the reason it makes things more likely is because homochirality happens so aggressively that finding right handed molecules at all drastically reduces the odds of left.
Re:Asteroid fragments upend theory of how life on Earth bloomed
by westurner on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @10:15AM
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"I Applied Wavelet Transforms to AI and Found Hidden Structure" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42956262 re: CODES, chirality, and chiral molecules whose chirality results in locomotion
Do any of these affect the fields that would have selected for molecules on Earth? The Sun's rotation, Earth's rotation, the direction of revolution in our by now almost coplanar solar system, Galactic rotation
Re:Asteroid fragments upend theory of how life on Earth bloomed
by divbzero on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @12:26PM
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This is a good explanation of chirality but I think the parent meant to say enantiomer instead of racemate:
– enantiomer refers to each mirror image of the molecule. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enantiomer
– racemate refers to a 50-50 mix of the two enantiomers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racemic_mixture
In chemical synthesis, most (but not all) processes tend to preserve chirality of molecules: replacing a bunch of atoms in a molecule with another set will tend to not cause the molecule to flip to a mirror image. If you start from an achiral molecule (one where its mirror image can be rotated to the original), almost all processes tend to end up with a 50-50 mix of the two racemates of the product.
In biochemistry, you can derive all of the amino acids and sugars from a single chiral molecule: glyceral. It turns out that nearly all amino acids end up in the form derived from L-glyceral and nearly all sugars come from D-glyceral. The question of why this is the case is the question of homochirality.
There's as yet no full answer to the question of homochirality. We do know that a slight excess in one racemate tends to amplify into a situation where only that racemate occurs. But we don't know if the breakdown into L-amino acids and D-sugars (as opposed to D-amino acids and L-sugars) happened by pure chance or if there is some specific reason that L-amino acids/D-sugars is preferred.