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Re:Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance by ben_w on Tuesday March 04, 2025 @08:08AM (#43254033)
> Isn't the price of a KW of solar panels similar to the price of a KW of nuclear power these days?

Solar with battery backup is about that, globally, on average.

But: the averages have sufficiently broad variance that there's places where one wins, and places where the other wins.

PV+battery is between 75-140 USD/MWh; whereas new nuclear is, depending on who I ask, any of 81-82, 65, or 141–221 USD/MWh.

Re:Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance by throwaway48476 on Tuesday March 04, 2025 @09:15AM (#43254856)
There's no reason to believe nuear couldn't benefit from economies of scale.
Re:Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance by ben_w on Tuesday March 04, 2025 @09:21AM (#43254939)
Everything seen so far does not suggest it will improve.

SMRs might, possibly, change that — we shall have to see. I have nothing against SMRs, but they're novel, and I've seen a lot of novel ideas that seem interesting, go nowhere.

Re:Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance by throwaway48476 on Tuesday March 04, 2025 @09:28AM (#43255060)
Almost all nuclear plants in the west were built in the 70s and 80s. The number built since is miniscule so of course the costs are going to be huge, they're one off projects.
Re:Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance by ben_w on Tuesday March 04, 2025 @09:38AM (#43255217)
True but irrelevant. The construction of new reactors now is unlikely to be in numbers greater than back then.

(Unless new ones are SMR, which is why there's now business interest in SMRs. They may well have numbers large enough to cut costs).

Re:Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance by throwaway48476 on Tuesday March 04, 2025 @09:46AM (#43255316)
The other issue is that nuclear research has been underfunded for decades. We could have had new safe effective and cost efficient designs.
Re:Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance by ben_w on Tuesday March 04, 2025 @11:49AM (#43257132)
That is why I say "might, possibly", rather than being firmly yes or no.

R&D is high-variance.

Re:Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance by throwaway48476 on Tuesday March 04, 2025 @12:45PM (#43257812)
Research is, engineering less so.
Re:Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance by ViewTrick1002 on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @06:56AM (#43265447)
Nuclear energy has had a massive research advantage over its entire lifetime. It simply never delivers due to being horrifically expensive.

You just keep making empty promises that never work out in reality. Just look at Flamanville 3 being 7x over budget and 13 years late on a 5 year construction schedule.

You want more of that?!?

Re:Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance by Paradigma11 on Tuesday March 04, 2025 @10:39AM (#43256074)
What kind of battery backup are we talking about?

Enough for a long cold winter night in northern Europe?

Enough for a longer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkelflaute ?

Re:Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance by ben_w on Tuesday March 04, 2025 @11:55AM (#43257212)
Yes.

From your link:

"Events that last more than two days over most of Europe happen about once every five years."

I belive that for the EU as a whole, enough for two days works out as about 32 kWh per person. More or less for specific nations.

So, think in terms of what you'd repurpose used EV batteries for prior to fully recycling them.