Imec demonstrates electrical yield for 20nm lines High NA EUV single patterning

Re:Imec demonstrates electrical yield for 20nm lines High NA... by staunton on Sunday March 02, 2025 @05:36PM (#43236000)

"2nm node" means "one technology iteration after 4nm". (Well, actually after 3nm, but let's not get even more into that nonsense)

These numbers stopped having anything to do with the sizes of things a long time ago.

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Re:Imec demonstrates electrical yield for 20nm lines High NA... by lidavidm on Sunday March 02, 2025 @07:39PM (#43236996)

It might be funny to use this as a software versioning scheme. ("What do you mean the next version after v3 is 20A?")

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Re:Imec demonstrates electrical yield for 20nm lines High NA... by wtallis on Sunday March 02, 2025 @09:32PM (#43237684)

Dividing by the square root of two with each iteration isn't any weirder than how Knuth does software versions.

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Re:Imec demonstrates electrical yield for 20nm lines High NA... by B1FF_PSUVM on Sunday March 02, 2025 @09:56PM (#43237819)

But Knuth's shtick converges to a known quantity ... let me rephrase that, non-zero quantity ...

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Re:Imec demonstrates electrical yield for 20nm lines High NA... by amelius on Monday March 03, 2025 @04:49AM (#43240107)

Reminds me of:

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Re:Imec demonstrates electrical yield for 20nm lines High NA... by blackeyeblitzar on Sunday March 02, 2025 @09:24PM (#43237644)

So is there any objective way to compare one company’s claims or capabilities against another?

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Re:Imec demonstrates electrical yield for 20nm lines High NA... by jupp0r on Sunday March 02, 2025 @09:57PM (#43237825)

Here is an amazing discussion of that problem and a description of several metrics that answer your question: https://spectrum.ieee.org/amp/a-better-way-to-measure-progre...

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Re:Imec demonstrates electrical yield for 20nm lines High NA... by brennanpeterson on Sunday March 02, 2025 @09:57PM (#43237826)

The sram density is a pretty good equivalent. You can arguably do the average of sram and some logic.

If you take the square root of that...you pretty much end up with (modulo a linear scale) the existing nodes.

That gets you size. You then need power and speed, which are a bit trickier to compare without a standard/reference device.

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