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Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by IgorPartola on Sunday March 02, 2025 @10:31AM (#43231402)
A company that makes birthday party banners that fails can be replaced. If your electric company runs itself into the ground, there is no replacement without government assistance. So why add the overhead of a for profit company?
Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by esafak on Sunday March 02, 2025 @10:49AM (#43231605)
The last mile might be monopolized, but you are oversimplifying it. When implemented well, there are markets for generation, transmission, distribution, and retail, implying alternatives and resiliency. Every system has bottlenecks. This does not mean they are all equally resilient. To give a familiar example, your having one brain does not negate the benefit of having limbs in pairs.
Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by IgorPartola on Sunday March 02, 2025 @11:08AM (#43231836)
I live in CT where most of the power is supplied by Eversource. Whenever there is a big storm that knocks out power (happens every few years) to most of the state they are never prepared even though they are mandated every time to prepare more than the last time. And after they restore the power the delivery charge goes up. At this point the delivery charge is more than half the cost and our electricity is north of $0.30 per kWh and keeps going up. Even if you switch generation companies your cost doesn’t actually go down significantly overall due to the delivery charges.

Moreover, Eversource has their hands in any solar projects. They drag out the process to approve any installations and fight you tooth and nail to make sure you can’t install a big enough system because they are mandated to buy electricity at the same rate as they sell it. They fully captured the market and are essential to the state’s functioning so whenever there is an issue the government backs them. When there isn’t, they post billions in profits.

What part of that sounds correct to you?

Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by sbarre on Sunday March 02, 2025 @10:53AM (#43231648)
> When implemented well

Here's the important part. Regulatory capture and monopolies don't want or need things to be implemented well, because that leads to alternative options.

Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by esafak on Sunday March 02, 2025 @12:40PM (#43232878)
That is true of any complex endeavor. People have to do their jobs properly, and the system should be set up with consideration. There are no shortcuts to success. Policy needs to be bulwarked against the problems you mentioned.
Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by sgarland on Sunday March 02, 2025 @11:56AM (#43232366)
There are partial markets at best. There is generally a single owner of the physical infrastructure for transmission and distribution. Also, don’t forget that the FCC forced utilities into in the 70s to allow telecoms to hang cable off of their poles; the utilities certainly had no incentive to do so at a fair rate.
Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by troupo on Sunday March 02, 2025 @12:01PM (#43232416)
> there are markets for generation, transmission, distribution, and retail, implying alternatives and resiliency.

No, there are not. You can't have 15 different companies running 15 different cables over 15 different sets of electric poles into a house, each competing on delivery of electricity (or water, or sewage, or...).

Well, you can, but there's nothing good or efficient about it.

Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by HideousKojima on Sunday March 02, 2025 @12:06PM (#43232484)
Did you not read the first sentence of the post you're replying to?
Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by troupo on Sunday March 02, 2025 @12:11PM (#43232533)
> The last mile might be monopolized, but you are oversimplifying it. When implemented well, there are markets for generation, transmission, distribution, and retail, implying alternatives and resiliency.

First you claim oversimplification and then you write a sentence that feels like a "but when implemented well".

Tell me how this is a market in a reasonably sized city, and how many parallel electric lines, water and sewer pipes you can run for the market to be well implemented?

Bonus question: how many competing power lines can be run from a single power plant? 1? 2? 10?

Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by spwa4 on Sunday March 02, 2025 @10:53AM (#43231656)
Because a million things can be replaced. An electricity company can use private contractors (either individual or with lots of small regional companies) for maintenance, build, diagnosing, private power plants, ... and these can fail and be replaced independently, even if the power company as a whole cannot.
Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by nonchalantsui on Sunday March 02, 2025 @11:03AM (#43231782)
Each one of those “independent” points that can potentially fail is just added dependencies that increases inefficiency due do increased oversight, adds more red tape, and slows down production.
Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by mindslight on Sunday March 02, 2025 @01:49PM (#43233624)
A municipal electric company can use private contractors just the same. The difference is that the municipal electric company is accountable to the captive residents they serve, while a privately-owned monopoly escapes most accountability.
Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by spwa4 on Monday March 03, 2025 @05:26AM (#43240343)
And the whole issue is that this accountability is generally used by a group of people that make it serve different issues. Municipalities use it like a way to raise taxes to do what they want to do (like a work program, a way to pay pensions for municipal workers, ...)

Of course a privately-owned one doesn't work either, because there's no competition.

Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by psychlops on Sunday March 02, 2025 @10:51AM (#43231624)
Private companies are funded by willing participants and have economic incentives to be efficient. The incentives for your electric company and other government programs for efficiency are not nearly so clear. It seems reasonable to favor efficiency wherever possible.
Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by plagiarist on Sunday March 02, 2025 @11:01AM (#43231759)
Private companies have economic incentives to charge as much as they can get away with and pass that excess to the owners of the company. This includes participating in collusion with peers and regulatory capture to artificially raise the rate in the market far beyond what efficiency would dictate.

Private companies are inefficient by definition when individuals are able to extract millions to billions of dollars from the market.

Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by trainsarebetter on Sunday March 02, 2025 @11:46AM (#43232240)
Is efficiency of the company the wrong metric in this case? Wouldn’t we rather have a market and prices reflect what it can bare rather than an open tab?
Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by psychlops on Sunday March 02, 2025 @11:06AM (#43231808)
I agree, except with your last sentence. There are many examples of efficient organizations that extract billions from the market from willing participants.
Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by plagiarist on Sunday March 02, 2025 @11:28AM (#43232056)
What sort of definition of efficiency are you operating with? A system is not efficient if billions of dollars are "evaporating" out of the system.

Yes, the participants of those markets are various degrees of willingness. No, I do not agree that makes them efficient.

Re:Mark Cuban offers to fund former 18f employees by mindslight on Sunday March 02, 2025 @02:22PM (#43233975)
Computational complexity theorists hate this one simple trick! NP hard is a lie! You just have to assert that a given problem has been optimally computed. We all know that physics obeys the whims of politics. </s>

It's especially ironic because if markets actually worked the way the "free market" dogma supposes they do, central planning would also work.