Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by krick on Friday February 28, 2025 @08:51PM
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I understand how USA gains from that. Please explain to me how Europe does.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by NeutralCrane on Friday February 28, 2025 @11:48PM
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How does Europe gain from preventing Russia from invading and annexing a European country that wishes to be part of a European alliance?
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by navane on Saturday March 01, 2025 @02:59AM
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None of the solutions are good for Ukraine. So the least we can do is not decide for them but support them in their decision.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by freehorse on Saturday March 01, 2025 @04:35AM
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> It's about the US and Europe. They benefit massively
EU (germany) gets increasingly deindustrialised, to a big part due to energy costs associated with the war, and the related sanctions and sabotages. This war would not have even started if the previous US administration(s) had not pushed to that direction, europe was up to that point signing energy deals with Russia, they had no incentive for a full blown war. EU was following, and now they run around like headless chicken with no purpose, goal and prospects while Trump is basically trying to cash out of the situation. But I agree with you that, whatever this has to do with, the least is about Ukraine itself and democracy. Sadly we are never gonna move on from this false narrative until it is too late.
Think about it. They support Ukraine by sending them surplus or aged weapon systems while modernising and funnelling money to their military industrial complex (with public support!). In return Ukraine uses those weapons systems to keep Russia tied up in a war, exposing Russia's most modern weapon systems and providing a huge amount of information on how to fight a drone war.
This is a great investment independent of what happens in or to Ukraine, basically they turn weapons they needed to replace or get rid of anyway into intel, new weapons, political brownie points at home and a weakened adversary.
China doesn't mind it that much either, though they enjoy it less because they had invested fairly heavily into Ukrainian infrastructure that is being destroyed. Keeping Russia isolated makes it easy for them to extra cheap oil & gas, push for pipelines that flow to China instead of towards Europe and also offload a bunch of their industrial surplus now that their requirements are winding down and the rest of the world is trying to tariff them for dumping.
So basically the problem is 1. is good for almost everyone except Ukraine and Russia. Trump for whatever reason can't understand that and just wants to throw a tantrum as is befitting for someone of his intelligence.