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Re:Hot take: GPT 4.5 is a nothing burger by iLoveOncall on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:39PM (#43213378)
I don't know why people would downvote you.

ChatGPT was released in 2022! It doesn't feel like that, but it's been out for a long time and we've only seen marginal improvements since, and the wider public has simply not seen ANY improvement.

It's obvious that the technology has hit a brick wall and the farce which is to spend double the tokens to first come up with a plan and call that "reasoning" has not moved the needle either.

I build systems with GenAI at work daily in a FAANG, I use LLMs in the real world, not in benchmarks. There hasn't been any improvement since ChatGPT first release and equivalent models. We haven't even bothered upgrading to newer models because our evals show they don't perform better at all.

Re:Hot take: GPT 4.5 is a nothing burger by KaoruAoiShiho on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:51PM (#43213518)
That's obviously untrue... Yes it hasn't hit the usable threshold for human replacement for many tasks, the majority of tasks, but that doesn't mean it hasn't improved massively for many others. Your evals seem to just be not fine enough, probably you're just waiting for agi. I do evals on a ton of tasks and my API/chatgpt usage has shot up drastically. It's now irreplaceable tool for me.
Re:Hot take: GPT 4.5 is a nothing burger by anon373839 on Friday February 28, 2025 @07:37PM (#43214055)
The boundaries of LLMs’ capabilities are really weird and unpredictable. I was doing a very basic info extraction task a few days ago and none of Gemini 2.0 Flash, Llama 3.3 70B, or GPT-4o could do it reliably without going off the rails. With the same prompt, I switched to the open-weights Gemma 2 27B - released last spring - and it nailed it.
Re:Hot take: GPT 4.5 is a nothing burger by al_hag on Friday February 28, 2025 @10:56PM (#43215695)
Is this something that structured propmpts a la DSPy are designed to address?
Re:Hot take: GPT 4.5 is a nothing burger by dibujaron on Friday February 28, 2025 @07:01PM (#43213647)
I also work with genAI daily. to say there's no improvement between gpt3 and gpt4 and gpt4o is massively incorrect. the improvement in the latter two was measurable and obvious. Just the speed of answer alone is improved by an order of magnitude.
Re:Hot take: GPT 4.5 is a nothing burger by eru on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:54PM (#43213560)
> It's obvious that the technology has hit a brick wall and the farce which is to spend double the tokens to first come up with a plan and call that "reasoning" has not moved the needle either.

If nothing else, that technique has cut down drastically on hallucinations.

Re:Hot take: GPT 4.5 is a nothing burger by TwoPhonesOneKid on Friday February 28, 2025 @10:50PM (#43215653)
"Hallucinations" (ie a chatbot blatantly lying) have always struck me as a skill issue with bad prompting. Has this changed recently?

to a skilled user of a model, the model won't just make shit up.

Chatbots will of course answer unanswerable questions because they're still software. But why are you paying attention to software when you have the whole internet available to you? Are you dumb? You must be if you aren't on wikipedia right now. It's empowering to admit this. Say it with me: "i am so dumb wikipedia has no draw to me". If you can say this with a straight face, you're now equipped with everything you need to be a venture capitalist. You are now an employee of Y Combinator. Congratulations.

Sometimes you have to admit the questions you're asking are unlikely to be answered by the core training documents and you'll get garbled responses. confabulations. Adjust your queries accordingly. This is the answer to 99% of issues product engineers have with llms.

If you're regularly hitting random bullshit you're prompting it wrong. Models will only yield results if they get prompts they're already familiar with. Find a better model or ask better questions.

Of course, none of this is news to people who actually, regularly talk to other humans. This is just normal behavior. Hey maybe if you hit the software more it'll respond kindly! Too bad you can't abuse a model.

Re:Hot take: GPT 4.5 is a nothing burger by eru on Friday February 28, 2025 @11:52PM (#43216051)
A sufficiently skilled person can use a warped and bent slide rule to design a jet engine.

But that doesn't mean the warped slide rule and a super computer capable of finite element analysis are equally useful or powerful.

Re:Hot take: GPT 4.5 is a nothing burger by TwoPhonesOneKid on Friday February 28, 2025 @11:54PM (#43216067)
You can easily crush a person with a super computer. But what are you going to do with a slide rule—lightly tap someone?
Re:Hot take: GPT 4.5 is a nothing burger by eru on Sunday March 02, 2025 @07:13PM (#43236779)
You are lacking in imagination.

(Alas, Dall-E also lacks, so I couldn't generate a picture of deadly slide rule kung fu. At least none that wasn't unintentionally hilarious.)

Re:Hot take: GPT 4.5 is a nothing burger by JohnKemeny on Saturday March 01, 2025 @01:52AM (#43216658)
GPT 2 has been out for more than 6 years.