Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by umanwizard on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:00PM
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This isn’t in the nature of democracy, it’s in the nature of winner-take-all FPTP presidential systems specifically.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by afavour on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:10PM
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Fair, I've updated my post. I'd argue it's not just FPTP presidential systems, though. Even in proportional representation you still only get one vote so you pick the candidate that's the best fit for you, you still don't get to pick and choose which parts of their agenda get enacted.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by umanwizard on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:25PM
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Yes, but different people will care more or less about different things and thus vote for different parties which all have to work together to form coalitions, which in theory then have to reflect a negotiated compromise among the different things that different people care about.
It’s not perfectly efficient, and it can suffer from the problem you’re describing, but far less severely than the US system does.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by kla-s on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:19PM
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Well then thats „Volksabstimmungen“ as Switzerland has it for you.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by kelseydh on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:50PM
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By definition, it is impossible for a single winner contest like the Presidency to be proportionally elected. Proportionality matters for multi-member bodies like legislatures or parliaments. I.e. 20% of the vote nets 20% of the seats. Single winner contests can only represent at best, half or more of the population when working well.
Winner take all (one winner): FPTP, single member district ranked ballots
Proportional (multiple winners): Party lists, MMP, multi-member district ranked ballots (STV)
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by kelnos on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:15PM
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I wish it was easier to explain this sort of thing to people. Most MAGA people look at any taxpayer money spent abroad, for any purpose, as a waste, when that money could be spent on US citizens locally.
Diplomacy and soft power is a complex, nuanced concept that can't be explained easily.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by outside1234 on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:32PM
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This is why it matters that the president just EXECUTES policy but does not decide the WHAT or HOW MUCH it or decide if it is JUST.
This brings a wider perspective, which is why what Elon is doing is so scary because it takes out that wider perspective
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by rangestransform on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:15PM
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I don't think the US voting public is ready to see geopolitics from the realpolitik lens instead of the lens of idealism that has been instilled on them from elementary school onwards. Every major US geopolitical intervention has been sold to the voters through ideals like spreading democracy. It'll take a complete rethink of civics education before USians are actually ready to decide the government of the hegemon, both to claim what is theirs by might and to ensure that it's distributed fairly amongst them. I'm also not confident that I want the next generation to become realpolitik bastards before they graduate high school.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting
by soraminazuki on Friday February 28, 2025 @06:18PM
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He was obviously not going to do anything about inflation despite what he said during his rallies. Actions speak more than words, especially when those words are inconsistent ramblings. We all saw what he did in his first term, and not a single policy decision was made out of concern for ordinary people. It's always about going after people or enriching the super-rich even further.
Very broadly I think the US has done a poor job explaining just how beneficial America's position in the world is to America itself. You see it reflected in the USAID stuff too. Soft power pays dividends in ways that aren't immediately apparent so when it's gone people just don't care all that much. It'll be interesting to see where this all lands 20 or so years from now and how the US public feels about it then.