Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by tencentshill on Friday February 28, 2025 @01:58PM (#43209047)

It makes sense from His worldview. Ukraine are the weaker ones, the natural losers. He doesn't help losers. There is no further thought or consideration. That territory was always Russia's to take when they were ready.

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by pantalaimon on Friday February 28, 2025 @02:43PM (#43209494)

I think it’s worse: Trump et al want to install a neofeudal system of society whereas Ukraine is fighting for the Westen Democracy kind of system. It’s clear that Trump wants to establish that as a futile endeavor

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by borsecplata on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:06PM (#43209742)

I think there's no actual plan, trump et al are just stupid. Looking at how DOGE is doing seems to coroborate this view.

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by forum-soon-yuck on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:25PM (#43210031)

There is the plan, and everyone who buys that today's charade in White House wasn't planned as well must really check their heads (which is futile at this point)

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by tumsfestival on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:32PM (#43211494)

Nah, they just care about money is all. They look at Ukraine and they don't see a profit to be made, so they demand payment or the withdrawal of aid. Greed plain and simple.

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by jfengel on Friday February 28, 2025 @03:38PM (#43210277)

"Weaker" is a function of not just your own strength, but that of your allies. Russia wants Ukraine as a way to hit at Europe.

Ukraine and its allies are a match for Russia and its. Perhaps more so, since Ukraine's allies have limited its use of force. With the US out, Ukraine may be able to exert much more force.

Which is to say Trump's judgment of who is weak is deeply compromised by his belief in single strongmen. This will not go well for him.

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:02PM (#43210786)

> Ukraine's allies have limited its use of force. With the US out, Ukraine may be able to exert much more force.

I am curious about this. Why you say it?

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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by jfengel on Friday February 28, 2025 @04:12PM (#43211013)

Ukraine is limited in its use of American weapons. It can't strike well in Russian territory. The US wanted to keep the conflict from escalating beyond Ukraine's borders.

Europe has similar concerns, but if Ukraine loses American support, they may not be able to afford that. They might gamble on direct strikes on Moscow, or at least make it clear that they can.

Which might end life as we know it. Or it might force Russia to the bargaining table directly with Ukraine. Who knows? Let's find out!

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