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Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by mytailorisrich on Saturday February 22, 2025 @11:41AM (#43140510)
Or limit immigration to reduce demand...

In some European countries population growth is only due to immigration. In Spain almost 19% of the population is foreign-born!

Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by willsmith72 on Saturday February 22, 2025 @12:10PM (#43140810)
> in some European countries population growth is only due to immigration

You mean like the USA? Or just about every developed nation on the planet?

Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by WillPostForFood on Saturday February 22, 2025 @12:43PM (#43141190)
Yes, and? Just about every developed nation is having a housing problem.
Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by visarga on Saturday February 22, 2025 @03:25PM (#43142845)
Housing problem comes from the job market. Cities with good jobs will attract people and the price of renting/buying will go as high as they can bear. Most of the benefit will go to landlords. Moving to a better job market will make you little benefit because your increased pay will be largely swallowed by the cost of housing.

The problem is that employers want their employees physically present at the office, and roads can only carry them so fast, so being closer to job opportunities will reflect on the housing cost. Maybe the solution would be to make workplaces more widespread, improve transportation to expand commute reach under 30-60 minutes, or support more remote work.

Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by thfuran on Saturday February 22, 2025 @02:31PM (#43142279)
They're also mostly having low population growth compared to times when they weren't having a housing problem.
Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by mytailorisrich on Saturday February 22, 2025 @03:08PM (#43142680)
That's variable by country, and slums are no longer acceptable.

The point remains that claiming that everything is down to "not building enough" misses half the equation.

In any case, what is the rationale for building more only to be able to accommodate more immigrants? (Because that's the situation)

Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by willsmith72 on Saturday February 22, 2025 @05:23PM (#43143887)
because if you took the US without immigrants with its 1.6 birth rate, the economy would collapse
Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by mytailorisrich on Sunday February 23, 2025 @04:07AM (#43147946)
That's kicking the can down the road as population cannot grow forever.

In Europe massive immigration is destroying local cultures for the sake of short term economic gains...

Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by ajmurmann on Saturday February 22, 2025 @12:03PM (#43140732)
With the low birth rates in many countries the housing problem could be solved once and for all...
Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by mytailorisrich on Saturday February 22, 2025 @12:09PM (#43140792)
Population can't grow for ever. We'll need to learn to live with a constant population (and even decreasing for some time) at some point in any case...

European governments do not want to face this reality and prefer to try to convince people that immigration is good (polls show that the people increasingly disagree).

Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by ajmurmann on Saturday February 22, 2025 @04:55PM (#43143669)
Why not? Earth doesn't look anything like Coruscant yet and we've barely settled a single planet
Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by cyberax on Saturday February 22, 2025 @12:32PM (#43141067)
Nope. "Urbanist advocates" can create real estate bubbles even with a shrinking population.

Case in point: Tokyo. You just need to make sure you _have_ to live in The City, and that there are no other options for you. And a shrinking population makes that _easier_.

Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by rayiner on Saturday February 22, 2025 @12:34PM (#43141084)
Housing prices were lower in the past when birth rates were higher.
Re:Why Barcelona Bought the Building That Symbolizes Its Hou... by ajmurmann on Saturday February 22, 2025 @04:54PM (#43143658)
Of course. I was hoping it was clear my response was facetious.