While Apple especially under Tim Cook has done a lot questionable acquiescences under Cook for political expediences, they really didn’t have a choice here. It was the law.

Now going back on Twitter to get in the good graces of President Musk and bringing TikTok back to the AppStore even though it is clearly against the law is different.

> they really didn’t have a choice here

They did have a choice. They could have said they will just get out of UK. That would have resulted in enough political turmoil in UK that their government would roll back this stupid law. Apple chickened out.

If the UK wants the law to change, that’s up to the citizens of the UK. These are the people they elected.

Don’t expect Apple to rescue the UK citizens to from their own choices.

So, Apple will just give in to whoever is in power? They were not this soft in the San Bernardino case when FBI asked them to unlock a phone.

> So, Apple will just give in to whoever is in power?

This is definitionally why a country is sovereign and a company isn't.

> They were not this soft in the San Bernardino case when FBI asked them to unlock a phone.

FBI has to follow the laws of the USA.

The UK writes the laws of the UK, which Apple (if they want to operate in the UK) has to follow.

The FBI doesn’t create laws. If Congress had passed a law then you would have a good analogy.

Yes Apple follows the laws of every country it operates in just like any other company.

There is an easy way to avoid having to follow laws of a country. Don't operate in that country.

If you don't want to be sued by activist investors, you need a good reason for that, and to be able to tell those investors what else you tried first before escalating that far if you eventually do pull out of a market.

Apple absolutely does not follow the laws of every country it operates in, else TikTok wouldn't be back on the App Store.

If only I had thought about that, I might have mentioned it.

Oh wait

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43128684

> Now going back on Twitter to get in the good graces of President Musk and bringing TikTok back to the AppStore even though it is clearly against the law is different.

Then why subsequently say that they follow the laws of every country they operate in? They don't, so whether the FBI makes the laws is not relevant.

The UK made the law years ago and someone in authority said they were going to start enforcing it.

In the case of TikTok, the law was passed a year ago and the executive branch said they wouldn’t enforce it.

Abandoning the UK market would hurt Apple more than it would hurt the UK. They are not a nation-state, Apple cannot wage diplomacy by threatening the government, they can only shoot their own foot off and say it was for the good of everyone.

It would also partially validate the EU's regulation if they abandoned the UK but stayed in Europe. Apple very much doesn't want to feed either side a line.

They could have started with not offering iCloud at all in UK. See how the blowback gets UK government to play ball and rollback the law.

It may have hurt Apple in the short term but helped in the long term.

Then instead of mandating a backdoor to cloud data, the UK would just mandate backdoor access to the devices themselves, again forcing Apple's hand to either comply or GTFO, if they want it bad enough.

We're losing the fight, and people are as apathetic as ever around privacy and security issues.

Besides, never trust E2EE where you don't control both ends, but everyone here should have already known that.

oh god you reddit morons are so stupid. This would have hurt apple the most by far.