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Re:DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days by andy_ppp on Friday February 21, 2025 @02:31AM (#43125024)
How do the valuations of foundation model companies compete with them being firmly open sourced by Facebook and DeepSeek? It seems likely that building these models will not produce hundreds of billions in value given China and Facebook are giving them away largely for free.
Re:DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days by aurareturn on Friday February 21, 2025 @04:15AM (#43125601)
Postgres and MySql are free but hasn't stopped Oracle from making tens of billions each year in database subscriptions.
Re:DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days by alternatex on Friday February 21, 2025 @07:16AM (#43126648)
IMO it's harder to move away from Oracle DB than from Open AI. The type of businesses that rely on Oracle DB have all the characteristics of a "tech kidnap victim". Huge DB-driven projects, old bad code with few tests, and a profit margin low enough to not be able to fund a migration to a different DB.

I think businesses that rely on new AI models are very different.

Re:DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days by aurareturn on Friday February 21, 2025 @11:56AM (#43129872)
It's still way too early. Many AI labs will fold, fall behind, get bought out. In the end, it'll always end up with 1-2 big ones left standing and a few smaller ones fighting for scraps.
Re:DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days by lompad on Friday February 21, 2025 @02:52AM (#43125136)
Those valuations are built on an imaginary future the founders made investors believe.

The idea is: if we reach true AGI first, we are going to own ALL THE MONEY!

Which erroneously assumes that models can't be siphoned off/recreated, as deepseek proved possible and even reasonably doable. Which in turn fundamentally shows that both openai and anthropic very likely have basically no moat.

I can almost smell another AI winter arriving, once all those valuations meet reality.

Re:DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days by 1oooqooq on Friday February 21, 2025 @04:40AM (#43125738)
winter won't come soon enough this time
Re:DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days by mcslurryhole on Friday February 21, 2025 @05:09AM (#43125886)
I cant see a future where AGI exists and money in general isn't worthless within 6 months of it existing. Either it kills us all, or makes the creator so much money that it's essentially worthless because they're the only one with money, or creates a utopia where money isn't needed.
Re:DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days by logicchains on Friday February 21, 2025 @06:15AM (#43126285)
The laws of economics apply just as much to AI as they do to humans, if anything AI is an even better (more rational) homo economicus. Even if AI wiped out all humans, the AIs would still need a monetary system for trading among themselves.
Re:DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days by esafak on Friday February 21, 2025 @08:51AM (#43127376)
Would they need to trade once they figure out how to generate energy for nearly free and thus obtain anything? Trading is for the resource limited.
Re:DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days by cellis on Friday February 21, 2025 @09:34AM (#43127865)
Resources still need to be allocated. Even by the AI itself. At some point a group of neurons will “argue” for more resources, and then within that group a subgroup will, and so forth. Hence the paperclip maximizes…
Re:DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days by Jensson on Friday February 21, 2025 @02:14PM (#43131642)
AGI means smart like a human, it doesn't mean it invents new things only found in science fiction. It is unlikely the AI will generate infinite free energy.
Re:DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days by new_user_final on Friday February 21, 2025 @07:02AM (#43126570)
It's pretty disgraceful to DeepSeek saying Facebook and China.