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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by simias on Monday July 30, 2012 @05:27AM (#4311526)
Do you have any evidence they put that here on purpose or are you just spreading rumors? It could as well be shoddy programming.
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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by raverbashing on Monday July 30, 2012 @06:20AM (#4311673)
If they are going to install low level software on my computer they better be very sure it's properly coded.

Instead, they ask for their interns to build the "solution" that makes my computer part of the Borg.

I really don't feel compassion in this case towards the company (towards the users is a different story, no doubt)

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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by rmc on Monday July 30, 2012 @07:33AM (#4311860)
If they are going to install low level software on my computer they better be very sure it's properly coded.

Companies are often incompetant with security code. If you are expecting high quality secure code with consumer level software, you will often be disappointed.

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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by Edman274 on Monday July 30, 2012 @08:09AM (#4311959)
Which is why going the full disclosure route prevents them from being insulated from their mistakes - otherwise, it becomes a moral hazard to keep playing nice with the approach to disclosure.
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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by Paul_S on Monday July 30, 2012 @05:39AM (#4311565)
I don't subscribe to "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". I'm not citing sources - hence it's just my opinion. Reminds me of google wifi slurping and hundreds of other cases where everyone plays dumb and swears it was all a misunderstanding. It never is. Until you get caught. And if not that it's a rogue trader, rogue reporter, rogue programmer, rogue scapegoat.
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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by jbrechtel on Monday July 30, 2012 @07:03AM (#4311789)
Since we have no additional evidence to select between the two options, do you really think that malice is simpler than stupidity?
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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by Paul_S on Monday July 30, 2012 @07:18AM (#4311829)
I'm not going to do any kind of full disclosure here (I know this is lame) but I work in video games so I know what it looks like from the other side. We're not all idiots here, we just do as we're told.
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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by danudey on Monday July 30, 2012 @01:18PM (#4313437)
As a Vancouverite, I've seen enough layoffs to believe this entirely (you're fungible and replaceable). Still, I don't think that Ubisoft intentionally created a security issue, just that they didn't care about one that happened and deadlines were coming.
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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by jbrechtel on Tuesday July 31, 2012 @07:03AM (#4316605)
I didn't mean to imply that video game programmers were stupid... :)

I was saying it seems more likely to me that any random developer making a stupid mistake like this seems more likely than a company having real motivation to create this kind of security hole.

I suppose, alternatively, this could have been an individual developer's intent. An exploit like this would get a pretty penny on the exploit market, I'd think.

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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by wseymour on Monday July 30, 2012 @06:34AM (#4311711)
"I can't prove it through fact, but I feel it to be true."
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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by Bootvis on Monday July 30, 2012 @06:41AM (#4311728)
Not subscribing to malice what can explained by stupidity is just a feeling too.

The question is: do you believe the perpetrator to be malicious or dumb?

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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by gigitrix on Monday July 30, 2012 @08:09AM (#4311955)
It's not a "feeling" when all evidence points to the fact that, like every security vulnerability ever, a feature was added that had unintended consequences. There's no way it's malicious: Ubisoft can't do anything with this that they can't do everywhere else in the actual applications themselves!
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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by pyre on Monday July 30, 2012 @08:50AM (#4312045)
Who says it was malicious on Ubisoft's part? It could easily have been a rogue developer that saw an opportunity to install a backdoor on a ton of machines.
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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by polyfractal on Monday July 30, 2012 @09:47AM (#4312261)
It could also have been the Russians, who planted a mole in Ubisoft's quality assurance division and, over time, laying low in a foreign country gaining the respect of his peers and bosses, slowly worked his way to the top of the food chain...

...where at last he installed his Russian Rootkit.

Or maybe some programmer added a feature that was insecure and they moved on to work on some bug that was crashing level three?

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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by billswift on Monday July 30, 2012 @08:29AM (#4311998)
Usually both. (Note that with the internet you also have to be dumb, too, to believe you are not eventually going to be caught, no matter how malicious you are.)
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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by rmc on Monday July 30, 2012 @07:34AM (#4311863)
That's not how reality (or science) works.
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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by rmccue on Monday July 30, 2012 @06:35AM (#4311715)
The fact that the line contains "dev" twice is probably indicative of forgetting to disable it.
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Re:Ubisoft "Uplay" DRM exposed as rootkit by campnic on Monday July 30, 2012 @07:27AM (#4311851)
Or really tight dates to meet and rushing.
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