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Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by justin66 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @07:39AM (#43113993)
> IMHO it's a bit of a shame that the productivity and efficiency gains that computing and cybernetics can bring to complex systems

They're just firing people at random, they haven't discovered any innovative new way to make systems more efficient.

("at random" is a bit generous and ignores the retaliation against political adversaries)

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by theshrike79 on Thursday February 20, 2025 @07:58AM (#43114128)
It's not "at random". Every shuttered department had been investigating one of Elmo's properties...
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by throw0101c on Thursday February 20, 2025 @08:50AM (#43114607)
> It's not "at random". Every shuttered department had been investigating one of Elmo's properties...

¿Porque no los dos? Firing the folks that maintain nuclear weapons:

* https://apnews.com/article/nuclear-doge-firings-trump-federa...

Firing the folks dealing with bird flu:

* https://apnews.com/article/usda-firings-doge-bird-flu-trump-...

Also firing a whole bunch of folks at the FAA (including maintenance mechanics) even though it's already short staffed:

* https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9y1e1kpjo

Random and spiteful (?).

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by agumonkey on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:39AM (#43115202)
pseudo random then ?
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by whymeogod on Thursday February 20, 2025 @12:08PM (#43117293)
To add to hrow0101c's list

USAID was investigating Starlink

Consumer Protection Bureau has numerous investigations open vs Musky companies

Treasury is involved in regulating Muskys X for Finance thing

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by mrayycombi on Thursday February 20, 2025 @07:55AM (#43114097)
He's going to fill the empty slots with loyal cronies he can fire at will.

This is, I think, just "stage 1"

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by insane_dreamer on Thursday February 20, 2025 @11:36AM (#43116799)
Changing the rules so gov employees can be fired "at will" is an explicit goal of Project 2025
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by sanderjd on Thursday February 20, 2025 @08:30AM (#43114404)
Right. Even random would be more principled.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by DAGdug on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:38AM (#43115195)
I personally support trimming bureaucratic fat, but the way the current administration is doing it is the worst way possible - with no due diligence - and will lose public support soon.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by ozmodiar on Thursday February 20, 2025 @10:39AM (#43116005)
I really wish I could still believe that last part.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by mostertoaster on Thursday February 20, 2025 @04:29PM (#43120459)
Yeah unlikely. I don’t even care that Elon isn’t just being altruistic and is in on all this just to benefit himself. My support of what they’re doing thus far is pretty steadfast, and I just want to see more and more people fired, and more and more budget cut.

I don’t care what happens to Ukraine, just don’t want us to send another dime. Hoping it can just end soon, which is more likely now than it was with previous administration.

Tariffs are a terrible idea though, but would take them if we got rid of the income tax.

As of now DOGE and Trump are doing exactly what I hoped, and I’ll check back in a year and see if I’m worried.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by heylook on Thursday February 20, 2025 @06:29PM (#43121907)
> Tariffs are a terrible idea though, but would take them if we got rid of the income tax.

$4,700,000,000,000 income taxes

$...100,000,000,000 tariffs

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by ChrisMarshallNY on Thursday February 20, 2025 @10:33AM (#43115919)
> lose public support soon

Sooner than you think.

My tax refund is quite late.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by cratermoon on Thursday February 20, 2025 @10:44AM (#43116084)
I told my family that if they expect a refund and haven't already filed their taxes to do so ASAP.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by JTbane on Thursday February 20, 2025 @11:00AM (#43116285)
I have to wait until March to get all my documents from brokerages, so I guess I am personally screwed by DOGE if returns are delayed.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by janalsncm on Thursday February 20, 2025 @12:32PM (#43117649)
No kidding. Been waiting 15 days for what should be a routine return.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by jcranmer on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:39AM (#43115203)
From the reporting I've seen, they're not firing "at random", they're firing more or less every single new hire they can, because new hires have less protections than more established employees.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by evilduck on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:56AM (#43115434)
You need to find more reporting then. It's both, and more, and worse. The folks fired at DOE's NNSA were not exclusively probationary employees. DOGE doesn't even know the function of the departments they're eliminating. It's not evident they even know _what_ they're eliminating. See the "find and fire" approach to the word transitional. Oops... turns out that one's used in more than the context of gender.

Even firing all probationary employees explicitly _for cause_ when there's no evidence of performance problems with most of them is worse than random, it opens them up to legitimate legal backlash. Have you ever worked anywhere where the last two years of hires were all just completely worthless as employees? Of course not, that's basically impossible. Eliminating these people would have been harsh but understandable if it were said to be done for simple budget reasons, because yes they indeed are in a vulnerable less protected situation, but to call them all poor performers at the same time is worse than random, it's an obvious and transparent lie.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by oooyay on Thursday February 20, 2025 @10:06AM (#43115559)
The people they fired at the VA weren't probationary and one of the first changes they made to the VA was removing gender identity from the account information.

This isn't about efficiency, money, or employees. It's about power and the consolidation thereof. They will have ransacked the VA and the American people not only gave them the keys but they cheered them on.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by insane_dreamer on Thursday February 20, 2025 @11:34AM (#43116784)
It's not just new hires. Employees who move to a new position, even if they've been in that agency for a long time, also have less protections and are being fired.

But as others have noted, these are not the only ones being mass fired.

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by theossuary on Thursday February 20, 2025 @09:52AM (#43115377)
Not just new hires, but also anyone who took a promotion or lateral move, which also puts them into a probationary period. So they're firing all the new employees and all the employees exceptional enough to be promoted or recruited to another department.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by ConfusedDog on Thursday February 20, 2025 @10:25AM (#43115803)
You mean Peter Principled into another department...? Sorry, just joking. It's terrible and unfair to fire people like this. They are removing the low hanging fruits first.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by heylook on Thursday February 20, 2025 @06:25PM (#43121853)
Dude, what is wrong with you? Tens of thousands of real, human people trying to support tens of thousands of real, human families. That's what your joke is about.
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by ConfusedDog on Friday February 21, 2025 @09:49AM (#43128068)
I take back my apology. lol
Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by cratermoon on Thursday February 20, 2025 @10:42AM (#43116043)
Not just new hires. They are firing people on "probationary" status, and people in civil service go through a brief probationary period after being promoted or moved to a new position.[1] This means some people being fired are long-time senior civil servants with expertise and knowledge. The reason they are firing probationary people is because they are easier to let go, by civil service rules.

I suspect the people in charge of the firings are under the same mistaken impression as you are, that all the probationary people are new hires who aren't yet essential. Witness the "oops, we fired the wrong people" rush to rehire.[2][3]

1 https://www.npr.org/2025/02/15/nx-s1-5298182/trumps-probatio...

2 https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g3nrx1dq5o

3 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/usda-accidentally-fire...

Re:DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data by insane_dreamer on Thursday February 20, 2025 @11:33AM (#43116766)
This[0] doesn't seem random, and is just one example of many similar ones.

And that's not counting the firings at the DOJ and FBI which were explicitly retribution (though you could argue DOGE had nothing to do with those firings, which may be true, but I'm referring to Trump's mass firings in general).

[0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-18/fda-offic...