Re:Police arrest apparent leader of cultlike 'Zizian' group ...
by _--__--__ on Monday February 17, 2025 @07:49PM
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Yeah I agree, I think that this is just a case where the transness of the cult members was actually beneficial in a Darwinian memetics sense - there have been public warnings about the Zizians for half a decade but they were all pattern matched to 'bigoted transphobic fear mongering' and excluded from the Overton Window. It took the random murder of a federal agent (which caught media attention on an entirely separate axis of attention) to break this, and I wonder how long Ziz would have walked free even if the group continued to commit less headline worthy crimes.
Re:Police arrest apparent leader of cultlike 'Zizian' group ...
by userbinator on Monday February 17, 2025 @08:27PM
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The Overton Window has also shifted significantly within the past year or so.
Re:Police arrest apparent leader of cultlike 'Zizian' group ...
by prododev on Tuesday February 18, 2025 @03:00AM
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Bigotry causes cover for this shit. If trans people were just accepted for humans who just want to live their lives, then the pattern matching defense wouldn't need to exist. There'd be no need to assume "well, first and foremost, this is probably just some bigot claiming trans people are evil again".
But no, some people have to punch down, which means others have to develop defenses that assume all punches are punching down.
If nothing else, it would seem bigotry is highly inefficient.
Re:Police arrest apparent leader of cultlike 'Zizian' group ...
by XorNot on Monday February 17, 2025 @07:51PM
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How is it being ignored? It's literally the primary thing which is being reported on about this, because 6 murders in the US is a drop in the bucket of murders which happen in a non-mass shooting week.
Re:Police arrest apparent leader of cultlike 'Zizian' group ...
by mvdtnz on Monday February 17, 2025 @08:11PM
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Is it? In the linked article as well as the source article posted elsewhere in this thread it's not mentioned at all. I confirmed this by googling the story and clicking on other mainstream websites like The Guardian and it was the same. They mentioned the gender situation of LaSota but not that the cult is almost entirely the same.
I just think that it's interesting that this very notable fact is being ignored - if this group were made up entirely of right wing men, or ballet dancers, or museum curators this would no doubt be reported on.