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Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by gadders on Monday February 17, 2025 @07:27AM (#43078206)
I think it is mostly found in leftist fever dreams on Reddit.
Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by wat10000 on Monday February 17, 2025 @11:02AM (#43080288)
Gotta love the current climate. Any time Trump says something terrible, you're guaranteed to find his supporters simultaneously arguing that he never said it and that it's a good thing that he said it.
Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by breckenedge on Monday February 17, 2025 @11:21AM (#43080501)
Heh we had simultaneous protests by Trump supporters in 2020 to both “Stop the count!” and “Count the votes!” to either stop or continue counting mail-in ballots in different states. Among his ardent supporters, there is no truth except force.
Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by cjfd on Monday February 17, 2025 @11:04AM (#43080306)
The traitor staged a coup on Jan 6th. Anyone who at this point still supports him is either a fool or a fascist.
Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by RandomTisk on Monday February 17, 2025 @11:26AM (#43080572)
I've yet to meet anyone in real life who could calmly explain to me exactly how he staged a coup, how it would have worked or was supposed to work to gain control of the government with unarmed civilians, the vast majority who were let in and did nothing but walk through the building, some of who were escorted by cops.
Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by ipython on Monday February 17, 2025 @11:54AM (#43080899)
https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/ - doesn't look like "walking through" the building to me. Source: I chaperoned a school group through the Capitol back in 2017 or so, and our tour did not look like this.

not to mention the brazen attempts to pressure states, specifically Georgia, to "find" enough votes to change the election outcome:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffens...

https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2023/02/15/read-full-transc...

Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by gadders on Monday February 17, 2025 @12:11PM (#43081105)
>>doesn't look like "walking through" the building to me.

Well we can certainly trust Pro Publica to pick the most peaceful examples, but we don't really need the videos of what happened outside. The White House finally, after being forced, released the internal camera footage. I don't think that shows any coup attempts.

There is also the "pipe bomb" that got memory-holed, and the role of FBI provocateurs that isn't fully explored yet.

Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by ipython on Monday February 17, 2025 @12:28PM (#43081307)
They didn't pick any examples, they pulled all the footage that was available off of Parler. There are plenty of footage from inside the building in that link from the rioters themselves- not sure what you mean?

I certainly remember the pipe bomb. No memory hole of that: https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/january-5-pipe-bomb-inv...

FBI provocateurs? Citation?

Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by dragonwriter on Monday February 17, 2025 @12:37PM (#43081398)
> FBI provocateurs?

There were federal personnel among the rioters, but they weren't, to any evidence, either FBI or provocateurs (there were both active-duty military intelligence personnel and at least one DEI agent arrested and charged.)

"FBI provocateurs" seems to be one of the mutually contradictory stories adopted by the MAGA cult (alongside "it was a violent riot -- but by Antifa", "and it was MAGA, but it was peaceful, no different than tourism".)

Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by dragonwriter on Monday February 17, 2025 @06:04PM (#43084105)
> one DEI agent

This was supposed to be "DEA agent", but, you fingers do funny things sometimes.

Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by gadders on Monday February 17, 2025 @03:00PM (#43082771)
I mean the internal Congress cctv footage that was supposed by the Jan 6th committee until forced to release it.

The FBI has admitted it had 26 informants at the protest.

Nobody has been caught for the pipe bomb and it was barely mentored for 4 years.

Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by ipython on Monday February 17, 2025 @06:22PM (#43084222)
Ok? Your point is? The fbi also allegedly paid infiltrators into the blm protests. https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-paid-informant-sow-discord-00.... The fbi has a long history of infiltrating what they consider to be “extreme” groups - going back decades.

It is unacceptable that there have been no arrests for the pipe bombs. Do I think that’s evidence of some sort of deep state cover up “false flag” operation? Nope.

Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by RandomTisk on Monday February 17, 2025 @12:10PM (#43081099)
How does that in any way answer the question of how Jan 6 was supposedly a coup?

Also there were massive problems with Georgia's election process in 2020, nobody denies that today so why should we keep using the least charitable interpetation possible of Trump's words?

Re:When Not to Obey Orders (2019) by ipython on Monday February 17, 2025 @12:29PM (#43081323)
What were the massive problems? The transcript clearly indicates Trump was only interested insofar as obtaining just enough votes to overturn the election. If he truly cared about election integrity, he wouldn't emphasize the exact number of votes he needed to win.