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Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by cubefox on Sunday February 16, 2025 @06:17AM (#43067217)
> SpaceX eventually abandoned this project and sold the rigs, though Gwynne Shotwell, its president and COO, said in 2023 that sea-based launches were likely to be part of the company’s future. SpaceX did not respond to a request for comment.

Is anything known why they stopped pursuing the offshore space port idea? I assume SpaceX found some significant drawbacks that weren't obvious when they bought the oil rigs just a few years ago.

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by pr337h4m on Sunday February 16, 2025 @07:27AM (#43067500)
For ships, stability seems to be the main problem: https://x.com/BrentM_SpaceX/status/1885450296421208118 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1885508628582474040

Not sure about oil rigs

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by ghaff on Sunday February 16, 2025 @08:15AM (#43067723)
Semi-submersibles--which is what Sea Launch was (former Ocean Odyssey)--are pretty stable. The marine risers (i.e. the big pipes that connect to the subsea blowout preventer) don't tolerate a lot of angle. Source: Used to work on, among other things, offshore drilling rig mooring analysis.

But I can imagine all sorts of reasons why using an offshore platform introduces a bunch of challenges that launching from land doesn't have. Though of course, the ability to get away from people is a plus too.

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by hermitcrab on Sunday February 16, 2025 @10:06AM (#43068569)
One of my wife's relatives was the master for the sea trials for one of the ships involved in Sea Launch. He had an incredible career, starting off as a brass helmet diver for the Royal Navy and ending up with Sea Launch.
Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by simne on Sunday February 16, 2025 @02:58PM (#43071122)
That's why SL used most sophisticated rocket of time - Zenit, which was by definition extremely tolerant to platform instability (most other space rockets was not so tolerant).
Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by a12k on Sunday February 16, 2025 @06:58AM (#43067372)
Texas is just a much better and cheaper option. It retains the upsides of sea launches (being able to select location, being far from people) without the downsides (being out in the water vs landlocked). They can also take advantage of US infrastructure and legal stability, which are downsides noted in the article about equatorial locations, while retaining the upsides of those areas in the form of not needing to worry about pollution, and very malleable state laws. Basically Texas is as good as it gets if you’re amoral and running a company with large externalities.
Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by cubefox on Sunday February 16, 2025 @07:27AM (#43067497)
I think Texas is currently used for testing purposes while the main Starship launch site will be in Kennedy Space Center, Florida. It's currently being built.

Still, that's not a new fact, so there must have been a reason why they first thought offshore space ports were a valuable addition and then later changed their mind.

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by jltsiren on Sunday February 16, 2025 @06:59PM (#43073170)
One upside of sea launches is the ability to choose any heading, which makes reaching the desired orbit easier. When launching from land, you have a limited range of possible headings, unless you are willing to launch over populated areas.

For example, rockets launched from Florida to ISS initially head northeast. A similar launch from Boca Chica would place the trajectory uncomfortably close to Houston.

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by mannykannot on Sunday February 16, 2025 @08:56AM (#43068008)
Despite Musk's whining about the FAA, SpaceX is not facing any difficulties getting its rockets launched from land, so there's no reason, at this point, to add something else with the potential to slow things down.

It did not even want to build a proper launchpad at Boca Chica, which did not work out so well.

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by dylan604 on Sunday February 16, 2025 @12:02PM (#43069519)
Back then I doubt even Musk thought he was going to become CEO of USofA. If he had known that, I doubt he'd ever have been concerned about having any restrictions from any gov't agency. Now, he's pretty much bulldozed a clear path for SpaceX doing whatever it wants. That definitely makes the need for an expensive ocean platform totally unnecessary.

They're trying to make their little slice of land into an actual city. Next stop, carve out that land to become a separate state. Then he can just become governor since he can't be president without having a co- prefix.

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday February 16, 2025 @12:27PM (#43069791)
> he's pretty much bulldozed a clear path for SpaceX doing whatever it wants

SpaceX is waiting for Starship launch authorisation from the FAA.

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by dylan604 on Sunday February 16, 2025 @01:00PM (#43070051)
I'm sorry, has Musk completed his takeover of the gov't or is he still working?
Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday February 16, 2025 @01:03PM (#43070073)
> has Musk completed his takeover of the gov't or is he still working?

"Pretty much bulldozed a clear path for SpaceX doing whatever it wants" implies the former.

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by BurningFrog on Sunday February 16, 2025 @02:12PM (#43070734)
There will be a Democratic administration in 4 or 8 years, and they'll want to settle scores.
Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by pfdietz on Sunday February 16, 2025 @09:18AM (#43068211)
It worked out fine. It's an example of iterative design where you find out the problems of an approach by doing the experiment, rather than by analysis, where you find out and have to address all the nonexistent imaginary problems too.
Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by philipwhiuk on Sunday February 16, 2025 @11:34AM (#43069310)
Except we'd already done a lot of experiments and you don't have to test it at full scale to realise it's gonna be chaos.

Yes, there's some interesting papers post-fact on the ejecta but it was still dumb.

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by s1artibartfast on Sunday February 16, 2025 @11:59AM (#43069494)
My understanding is that it was a matter of timeline. They simply did not want to wait and we're willing to trade off the consequences.

At the end of the day, the rocket did get off the pad. The repair was completed deluge system installed in less than 3 months.

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by philipwhiuk on Wednesday February 19, 2025 @07:11AM (#43101195)
The alternative view is they got off really really lightly for wrecking wetland and sandblasting the neighbourhood.

The reason the deluge system was installed so quickly is exactly the reason you can't argue that 'they wanted to see if they could do without'. They knew a priori that it was necessary, that's why they'd basically already staged the hardware.

Installing a deluge system pre-launch would have cost them a month, a month that they wouldn't have spent afterwards, waiting for another round of sign-offs.

It was a dumb decision and posting fan-blogs like Teslarati isn't a good argument.

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday February 19, 2025 @08:52PM (#43110160)
The blog was refenced for time stamped evidence of what I presented. The fan nature of it shouldn't matter unless you think the pictures are fabricated.

That said, I think you are right. Most of it comes down to how much someone cares about debris in the wetland and dust clouds.

Re:The dream of offshore rocket launches is finally blasting... by icegreentea2 on Sunday February 16, 2025 @10:17AM (#43068662)
News from the time the rigs were sold were relatively clear https://spacenews.com/spacex-drops-plans-to-covert-oil-rigs-...

Shotwell said "They were not the right platform" and that they needed "to first start launching Starship and better understand that vehicle before building offshore launch platforms".

The stated goal of Starship is that the booster can be refueled and relaunched from the recovery tower within hours. So "launch platform" is a misnomer, these guys are ideally also recovery platforms (with the chopsticks and all that). In addition, even if an offshore platform could work for booster recovery, it still needs a Starship to be stacked. There's probably a bunch of concern about having a Starship sitting around in the open near a booster recovery (the exact effect of blast/debris around a booster recovery is probably one thing they'd want to characterize).