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Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by bamboozled on Thursday February 13, 2025 @09:40AM (#43036266)
Why would there be consequences? The majority of voting Americans wanted this to happen. Let's not pretend this wasn't the likely conclusion and voters were solely focused on the price of eggs.

By modifying core systems, the attackers have not only compromised current operations, but have also left behind vulnerabilities that could be exploited in future attacks—giving adversaries such as Russia and China an unprecedented opportunity. These countries have long targeted these systems. And they don’t just want to gather intelligence—they also want to understand how to disrupt these systems in a crisis.

It's really hard to imagine this whole coup isn't some type of Russian / Chinese attack on the western world at this stage. It's too unbelievably good for them to just be a coincidence.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by cglace on Thursday February 13, 2025 @09:42AM (#43036298)
People were worried about the economy and inflation. To say that most voters wanted to dismantle the government is a bit of a stretch.

I remember all the posters here expressing their belief that Doge would do nothing and was just an advisory role.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by rs186 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @10:01AM (#43036528)
I agree, but I lament how voters quickly forget the chaos from the first Trump administration, and how much they didn't care about the DOGE agenda. They think they voted for a lower inflation (which is a very questionable premise by itself), but they didn't realize they were voting for the whole package. I definitely wasn't surprised, and American people deserve this.

Hopefully the voters come to their mind in the next election, and hope it's not too late.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by Swoerd on Thursday February 13, 2025 @03:33PM (#43040955)
That's a whole lot of words to say, republican voters are fucking stupid.
Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by slt2021 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @06:55PM (#43042998)
even more stupid are Democrat party leadership who could have won past elections in a slam dunk, have they had thought about transition strategy in advance
Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by johnnyanmac on Thursday February 13, 2025 @11:48PM (#43044942)
They did... It's clear their strategies are at best outdated, or at worst more focused on a neoliberal policy over a proper socialist strategy (hence, them blocking Sanders out twice).

I know it's small fries given current issues, but this is part of why I think (or thoght) the biggest focus for the people should be getting more states to adopt ranked choice voting. That's the only way out of this game theory disaster.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by esseph on Friday February 14, 2025 @03:05AM (#43046028)
The current push is to outlaw that across the country.

Just happened in Missouri I believe.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by johnnyanmac on Friday February 14, 2025 @03:31AM (#43046180)
how disappointinig. Yet another front to battle on.A bit insane how a position like "I want my vote to matter more!" can become a partisan stance with the right propaganda.
Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by johnnyanmac on Thursday February 13, 2025 @11:45PM (#43044926)
>They think they voted for a lower inflation (which is a very questionable premise by itself)

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/u-s-inflation-increases...

And yet those people are so quiet at best. At worst they think "it has to get worse before it gets better".

But yes, I do wish some signifigant portion of the voter base would simply inquire one step further on their represenatives. Trump had no action plans for this, and when sworn in he passed 100 EO's and left Inflation as "tbd". Still is, as far as I know.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by bamboozled on Thursday February 13, 2025 @10:08AM (#43036588)
Which is weird because by the numbers, the economy was doing wonderfully. Maybe you meant to say. People were told an economy prophecy and believed it ?

Even during campaigning the republicans literally warned people their vision would incur economy hardships but that it would be worth it in the long run.

I get the frustration that the price of daily goods was too high but the incumbents did present an actual feasible plan to deal with it. So I’m not really sure it was about “the economy”.

Anyway everything outlined in this article seemed pretty likely to happen, they literally told people their plans ?

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by lenerdenator on Thursday February 13, 2025 @11:00AM (#43037250)
> I get the frustration that the price of daily goods was too high but the incumbents did present an actual feasible plan to deal with it. So I’m not really sure it was about “the economy”.

As usual, it's about the allocation of surplus value.

The US has enjoyed a great economy over the past four years, and really, even longer. I'm in my 30s and most of my life has been marked by economic expansion. The problem comes from the fact that we take all of the money generated by that economic expansion and pipe it to shareholders instead of labor. The average person cannot live solely off the returns from their equity investments; they have to work in order to pay bills. That work essentially started buying less over the last half-decade.

Now, is that partially because of the Biden administration? Yes. Any time you print money, it devalues the money that already exists.

But it's also, and more fundamentally, the fault of the first Trump administration. The PPP, funded with printed money, was a massive subsidy to upper-middle class Americans, and 35-ish years of GOP revenue policy made sure it has to be printed. The US had no reserves of cash to pay for an emergency like COVID. Why? Because we haven't had a real federal tax discussion since George HW Bush said "read my lips: no new taxes".

That, of course, doesn't matter: the buck stops at the Oval Office, and Biden didn't have the likely personality disorder necessary to shove the buck back in people's faces on the order that Trump does. Neither did Harris. So back to the "glory" years of 2016-2019 we go, reckless monetary policy and all.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by intended on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:56PM (#43039754)
1) There is a group of voters, typically younger men, who would very much want to see things burn to the ground. A form of nihilism of outlook.

2) People never want the bad things, which is why voters tend to ignore information that tells them that things will be bad.

People didnt realize that Biden had stepped down after the election. Voters were not aware that Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing.

Information that this was going to happen, was shared, repeated and told over and over again.

This is basically leopards-eating-face territory.

Sugar coating it, leaving people berefet of their own authorship of their life, of their choices? I have no idea how that results in anything other than a way to feel nice about each other.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by slt2021 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @06:57PM (#43043016)
>This is basically leopards-eating-face territory.

young people are too poor and dont have much to lose.

They wanted a break from the status quo, some new faces, other than DC establishment in power, and Trump is delivering on that demand

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by cglace on Thursday February 13, 2025 @08:07PM (#43043494)
I'd think they would be interested in healthcare and the economy and not necessarily that we place conspiracy theorists in high positions.

Unless the youth of today are that dumb.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by slt2021 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @08:16PM (#43043559)
Every conspiracy is being confirmed, so I wouldnt be too harsh calling these conspiracies
Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by johnnyanmac on Thursday February 13, 2025 @11:53PM (#43044966)
which conspiracies?
Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by slt2021 on Friday February 14, 2025 @01:34AM (#43045518)
RFK Jr's book "The Real Anthony Fauci"[1], where he exposes the long history behind the creating custom designer viruses under the NIH umbrella, which led to COVID pandemic, and how every mainstream journo called him "conspiracy theorist". Turns out it was the lab leak after all, according to the CIA[2]

This is the most important one, once we get to the bottom of who created virus that killed millions and caused tens of trillions in economic damage, it will cause other more significant events.

Another one, how he explained the nature behind the Ukraine war, and how military industrial complex is stealing US government money and profiting off of artificially prolonging the Ukraine-Russia war[3]. Everyone called him conspiracy theorist, when he said BlackRock, Monsanto, DuPont have bought Ukrainian land, turns out it was true.

  1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Anthony_Fauci
  2. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9qjjj4zy5o
  3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWowuHMvpzU
Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by johnnyanmac on Thursday February 13, 2025 @11:52PM (#43044963)
new faces but we have the oldest president in history. anti-establishent so they root on the literal richest man in the world to take more money from them. Too poor but they aren't out on the street protesting hunreds of billions in tax cuts to the corporate chains they are binded by.

I completely get being rebellious. But is any of this "fun" for them? Just saying they are nihilistic makes more sense at this point.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by slt2021 on Friday February 14, 2025 @01:37AM (#43045538)
it is what it is. As Marx said: "the working class people have nothing to lose, but their chains".

The Democrat party can blame the other side for being stupid, or they can blame themselves for losing, what could have been a slam dunk election win, had they understood and addressed the concerns of the voter base.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by IAmGraydon on Thursday February 13, 2025 @03:20PM (#43040780)
>Why would there be consequences? The majority of voting Americans wanted this to happen.

You're blatantly wrong. The majority of voting Americans had zero idea Musk would be rooting around in our sensitive, classified systems. DOGE was not even announced until AFTER the election, and you know exactly why.

I do agree with you, however, that China, Russia, or both are likely involved with Musk at this point. There's no way it's just coincidence, and the way he's going about it is exactly how you would act if you had hacked into a secure system. What's sad is it had become obvious that there is no one there to protect us, our data, and our country.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by Swoerd on Thursday February 13, 2025 @03:35PM (#43040983)
"You're blatantly wrong. The majority of voting Americans had zero idea Musk would be rooting around in our sensitive, classified systems."

Yeah, because voting for Trump was just going to be roses and sunshine.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by jodrellblank on Thursday February 13, 2025 @04:52PM (#43041861)
It wasn't announced as 'DOGE' but it was not a surprise; from August: "Former President Donald Trump signaled his willingness to offer Elon Musk a role in his administration in a proposed “government efficiency commission” if he wins the presidential election in November"[1].

In the Republican Party Platform 2024: "2. Rein in Wasteful Federal Spending. Republicans will immediately stabilize the Economy by slashing wasteful Government spending"[2]

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/08/13/trump-b...

[2] https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-pa...

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by __egb__ on Thursday February 13, 2025 @09:23PM (#43044056)
There have been plenty of government commissions in the past. None of them functioned anything like DOGE, not even the ones instituted by the current President during his first term.

I think this is a surprise to many…even Trump’s more ardent supporters. After all, they thought they were voting for President Trump, not Assistant (to the) President Trump.

Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by johnnyanmac on Friday February 14, 2025 @12:14AM (#43045073)
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Re:DOGE as a National Cyberattack by johnnyanmac on Thursday February 13, 2025 @10:50PM (#43044647)
>Let's not pretend this wasn't the likely conclusion and voters were solely focused on the price of eggs.

Maybe I'm still naive, but I believe maybe 30-40% (At least) of trump voters simply 1) really wanted immprovements in their lives or 2)thought any pf the negatives of trump would not happen to them. Trump got the simple votes and discorded such people promptly. We'll see how long they, one by one, realize such a fact.

Likewise, I doubt that many supporters voted with the idea that Trump would be put back in as a Sino-Ruso puppet. They would dimiss any such talk as conspiracy, no matter how many calls he makes/takes from Putin and how many docs he mishandles.