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Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by ctrlp on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:21PM (#42968953)
Not everyone believes democracy means what you think it means. It's like saying "religion is good." Which religion?
Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by ajcp on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:56PM (#42969196)
-> Not everyone believes democracy means what you think it means.

What are different democracies people believe in?

Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by laidoffamazon on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:24PM (#42968994)
That's true, but these are Yarvin acolytes. They literally don't believe in democracy. They think their superior intellect entitles them to rule over the rest of us.
Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by throwaway5752 on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:27PM (#42969020)
Democracy in the US is well defined, even if someone does not understand it.

Simplified, the President executes laws written by Congress via the Executive branch. Congress passes laws that must agree with the US Constitution. The Judicial branch arbitrates disputes by interpreting the US Constitution. The Constitution can be changed per Article V.

Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by ctrlp on Saturday February 08, 2025 @12:02PM (#42984306)
Only a disinfo bot could be so deliberately wrong.
Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by Trasmatta on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:23PM (#42968984)
How about: any democracy where Elon Musk (an unelected, private citizen) isn't granted unfettered access to dismantle the federal government.
Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by rayiner on Friday February 07, 2025 @12:06AM (#42969632)
The civil service is almost entirely unelected private citizens. Musk at least is an agent of the guy who just won the election.
Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by ctrlp on Saturday February 08, 2025 @12:02PM (#42984313)
Don't try to talk sense to HN comment trolls. Waste of time.
Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by dctoedt on Saturday February 08, 2025 @04:23PM (#42986325)
> Musk at least is an agent of the guy who just won the election.

Yeah: The guy who said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any votes. That guy. Who wasn't elected absolute monarch, no matter what the unitary-executive crowd fondly believes.

Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by rayiner on Saturday February 08, 2025 @05:51PM (#42986895)
So you’re saying it was transparent what people were voting for?

Trump isn’t governing like a monarch. He’s not regulating private conduct or imposing taxes or putting people in prison. What he’s doing is exercising the executive power, as vested in him by Article II.

(As an aside, Article II says what it says. We don’t need a label for it. What requires a label is the theory that there’s an independent civil service insulated from the President and political appointees.)

Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by dctoedt on Saturday February 08, 2025 @08:18PM (#42987638)
> What requires a label is the theory that there’s an independent civil service insulated from the President and political appointees.

The "executive power" is what's enumerated in Article II — most notably the All Other Officers Clause and the Take Care Clause. (It's been often said that it was no accident that the Framers put Article I first.)

So: If both houses of Congress pass a bill saying that Agency X is insulated from the president and political oversight — and the president signs the bill into law — then that should be the complete and utter end of the discussion until Congress and the president agree to change the law.

Those folks who've been bootstrapping a unitary-executive monarchy are engaging in ... let's just say, "creative lawyering" (spelled: making it up out of whole cloth). At least Marbury v. Madison has some policy grounds underlying it (the least dangerous branch and all that); the unitary-executive fantasy is devoid of such advantages.

BTW, just because Trump hasn't yet done all the things a monarchist could do, doesn't mean he's not a monarchist; saying otherwise is atrociously illogical.

Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by readthenotes1 on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:28PM (#42969028)
He's fettered by the CEO to whom he reports.
Re:Elon Musk's Demolition Crew by galangalalgol on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:33PM (#42969061)
Recent body language analysis brings that into question. But it isn't a very precise science.