Funny enough, that also models the reason why people are in shock? "How could this happen, all the posts, media, and polls I saw were predicting a Harris win? Was it the Russians? The aliens?". Yet here someone responding honestly, and they get downvoted to hell and disappear. Next cycle it will be the same, "how could this happen, everything I read and everyone I asked all agreed with ... and then ..."
Or perhaps you'd be surprised to learn they aren't eating pets in Springfield?
Oh sure, anytime
> Good faith requires facts, which this current administration does not use.
I don't know, the OP (or GP?) post said they were wanted to continue discussing the issue in good faith. I'll take them at their word until I see them saying something else, what else should we do, downvote and flag everyone to hell? And it seems it's not about the administration having good or bad faith or good or bad facts but the OP presenting their case.
> Or perhaps you'd be surprised to learn they aren't eating pets in Springfield?
There are farms around there, for sure. Some chickens or cows may even have names and eventually get eaten, too. Who knows. I had never been, but was just South of it, in Yellow Springs. A nice little town and big a dairy farm with their own ice-cream and rides and everything.
So your first part of the comment could have been an exercise towards food faith, and your latter part, perhaps mildly excusable as an ill attempt at humor in normal times, is for most who read it an attempt to muddy the very clear facts that Trump lies all the time.
Sorry, I don't follow all the Trump's doings or saying or what others comment about them. So I simply don't know about it one way or the other. But I have been near Springfield, so I said what I knew about it personally. Have you ever been there?
However, it does seem like you're angry and trying to insult me. That's ok, too. I don't mind, I can take it, just has to be acknowledged and said publicly. No need to beat around the bush with hidden allegations or anything. For one, I don't remember the OP or the GP mentioning Springfield at all. You brought it into the conversation. Which is totally fine, of course, I even gave you upvotes.
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...
> Claiming the new Haitian community threatened “the good White residents” of Springfield, Blood Trump members descended on the city in August during Springfield’s annual Jazz & Blues festival, marching downtown while displaying guns and waving swastika flags.
That's horrible. The city sued them, hopefully they all land in jail for a long time.
> “the Blood Tribe made good on those threats,” noting that the city and its residents received at least 33 bomb threats in subsequent weeks
That looks like a slam dunk case, hopefully the city judges and prosecutors there have no problem handling it.
I saw the mention about Temporary Protected Status of the immigrants at the end. I had no idea that existed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_protected_status.
I'd would think the fact that disgusting group marched there and made bomb threats would make the community and the government protect them even more. The city launched a law suite after all.
To me, the counterfactual clearly points to no.
The Harris/Trump debate gave a set of clear accusations on film, so many that the denizens of the internet made several clever remixes to fight bullies with humor.
Agree you're probably right. I never watched that debate, thanks for the clip. I won't watch it further I didn't like either one of them too much.
I did like the remix though, I am sure there are plenty of more of those.
But it seems that group is being sued and that's hopefully they lose and that'll be the best outcome here.
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