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Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by scarab92 on Thursday February 06, 2025 @09:44PM (#42968704)
California continues its trend towards Luddite-ism.
Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by rileymat2 on Thursday February 06, 2025 @09:46PM (#42968715)
I am not following, proper labeling of products allows consumers to make informed choices.
Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by scarab92 on Thursday February 06, 2025 @11:06PM (#42969263)
Bots are simply another type of tool used by humans to reduce repetitive unnecessary labor.

Should bread come with disclaimers that it harvesters were used to collect the wheat, or machines were used to mix the dough? Maybe we can add disclosures to books that were made on a printing press rather than hand typed on a typewriter?

Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by nwiswell on Thursday February 06, 2025 @11:08PM (#42969270)
If you come into contact with a harvester, it should be clear that it's a harvester, correct.

If you come into contact with a dough mixer, it should be clear that it's a dough mixer.

But if you come into a contact with a book, I imagine you might have trouble recognizing it.

Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by johnnyanmac on Thursday February 06, 2025 @09:46PM (#42968714)
How is it luiddite-ism to not lie? The core issue here isn't even about tech. It's about transparency.
Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by scarab92 on Thursday February 06, 2025 @11:10PM (#42969278)
Because they aren't lieing, they are simply not disclosing whether their actions are the result on an organic neural network or a silicon one.

Society almost never differentiates between goods and services produced directly by human hands, versus with the aid of tools.

Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by slg on Thursday February 06, 2025 @11:28PM (#42969383)
>Society almost never differentiates between goods and services produced directly by human hands, versus with the aid of tools.

This is objectively wrong. "Handmade" is an incredibly common marketing keyword slapped on all sorts of products to imply quality.

Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by scarab92 on Thursday February 06, 2025 @11:36PM (#42969436)
That's a completely voluntary marketing decision.

There's no law requiring manufacturers to identify hand made versus machine made, and often, there aren't even clear definitions for what hand made means.

Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by slg on Friday February 07, 2025 @03:13AM (#42970530)
Those goalposts moved fast from "Society almost never..." to "There's no law requiring...".
Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by card_zero on Thursday February 06, 2025 @11:24PM (#42969358)
OK, welcome to the new situation where we have a reason to.
Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by johnnyanmac on Friday February 07, 2025 @12:38AM (#42969776)
Thars called a lie by ommission. If the default assumption is that you're chatting with humans, then there's some deception in a non-human masquerading as one.

>Society almost never differentiates between goods and services produced directly by human hands

Sure we do. We all have different expectations of a human service vs. Using a tool for something. Self checkout, for example. Or a robotaxi vs an Uber driver. Humans themselves can be a service and that can affect how we want to pay or approach one.

Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by lupire on Thursday February 06, 2025 @09:52PM (#42968749)
The Luddites were activists defending humanity against the harms of mechanization, yes.
Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by scarab92 on Thursday February 06, 2025 @11:12PM (#42969291)
Machines have resulted in extraordinary improvements in quality of life for humans.

Luddites should be ignored because they are alarmist, and care not for whether their concerns are warranted or necessary, much like Californian politicians.

Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by rightbyte on Friday February 07, 2025 @02:28AM (#42970332)
The Luddites were some sort of proto-socialists. The conception about them being mainly anti-machine is propaganda to mock them.
Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by orwin on Friday February 07, 2025 @08:27AM (#42972263)
You shouldn't bother, some are uneducated by choice and they won't learn.
Re:California bill would require bots to disclose that they ... by card_zero on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:50PM (#42969159)
Not really, they were protesting against low pay (and low-paid competitors) through the medium of smashing something, which happened to be stocking-spinning machines. They might equally well have kidnapped the boss's budgerigar if that was an effective way to apply pressure.