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Re:Open source AI: Red Hat's point-of-view by dralley on Thursday February 06, 2025 @07:35PM (#42968009)
It's not exactly practical to hand out the training material given the sheer quantity of data we're talking about.
Re:Open source AI: Red Hat's point-of-view by philipkglass on Thursday February 06, 2025 @07:45PM (#42968075)
But they could provide training code and let people provide their own Common Crawl (or whatever other pile of training data), couldn't they?
Re:Open source AI: Red Hat's point-of-view by stonogo on Thursday February 06, 2025 @07:41PM (#42968041)
Yeah, no. We can move an arbitrary amount of data around the world at breakneck speed. Netflix does this for a living. It's not practical to hand out the training material because of the massive rampant copyright violations.
Re:Open source AI: Red Hat's point-of-view by mossTechnician on Thursday February 06, 2025 @08:14PM (#42968205)
If a research group downloads material in order to train a model, is there some significant difference in copyright violation if they hand it to a second research group in order to fulfill the same purposes?
Re:Open source AI: Red Hat's point-of-view by Onawa on Thursday February 06, 2025 @08:21PM (#42968238)
Yes, because of a key word in a lot of copyright laws... "distribution". Using that copyrighted material themselves to train the model still gives them plausible deniability. Handing the copyrighted material to another group starts to run afoul of other laws and also removes the plausible deniability that the original group can claim regarding their training data.
Re:Open source AI: Red Hat's point-of-view by llm_trw on Thursday February 06, 2025 @08:03PM (#42968153)
If only we'd figured out a technology that let us move huge torrents of bits around.

If only there was a catchy name for it. Something like bit-torrent perhaps?

Re:Open source AI: Red Hat's point-of-view by TZubiri on Thursday February 06, 2025 @09:44PM (#42968705)
The training data is not necessarily kept. It's possible that data is consumed, incorporated into the weights and then discarded.
Re:Open source AI: Red Hat's point-of-view by andrewf on Thursday February 06, 2025 @10:12PM (#42968866)
GPL v2 and earlier let you charge distribution costs (v3's language is more complicated). In the late 80s you could order an Emacs tape from the FSF for $150, which is about $430 today!