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Re:Google Drops Pledge Not to Use AI for Weapons or Surveill... by BrenBarn on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @04:13PM (#42938812)
> Most suggestions of this nature fail to explain how they will deal with the problem of people just seeing there’s no point in trying for more. On a personal level, I’ve heard people from Norway describe this problem for personal income tax—at some point (notably below a typical US senior software engineer’s earnings) the amount of work you need to put in for the marginal post-tax krone is so high it’s just demotivating, and you either coast or emigrate. Perhaps that’s not entirely undesirable, but I don’t know if people have contemplated the consequences of the existence of such a de facto ceiling seriously.

I think if you look at quality of life and happiness ratings in Norway it's pretty clear it's far from "entirely undesirable". It's good for people to do things for reasons other than money.

Re:Google Drops Pledge Not to Use AI for Weapons or Surveill... by dec0dedab0de on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @04:24PM (#42938950)
And the middle ground is to only enforce it on corporations in exchange for the protections given to the owners.

Want to make more? then take personal risk.

Re:Google Drops Pledge Not to Use AI for Weapons or Surveill... by ilbeeper on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @04:35PM (#42939138)
Great, so we only want the real high risk takers, the top gamblers,to play in the big league. Those who are so rich they no way to lose their personal comfort and are blind to the personal risk - and probably are careless about anyone's else just as well
Re:Google Drops Pledge Not to Use AI for Weapons or Surveill... by mech422 on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @04:51PM (#42939377)
Don't we have that already? Bootstrapped startups with the founders money on the line typically don't play in the 'big league's till way after the founder is at risk..
Re:Google Drops Pledge Not to Use AI for Weapons or Surveill... by robertlagrant on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @06:58AM (#42947288)
> Great, so we only want the real high risk takers, the top gamblers,to play in the big league

It either takes risk of private capital or future taxpayers' taxes to create big leagues. I'd take the former over the latter.

Re:Google Drops Pledge Not to Use AI for Weapons or Surveill... by ilbeeper on Thursday February 06, 2025 @11:07AM (#42963709)
And I prefer cold committee who measure risk and are committed to some public values. You choose silicone valley, VCs and no public healthcare. I prefer the Norwegian model.
Re:Google Drops Pledge Not to Use AI for Weapons or Surveill... by robertlagrant on Friday February 07, 2025 @12:44PM (#42975356)
It works great when the innovation happens elsewhere and is freely shared.
Re:Google Drops Pledge Not to Use AI for Weapons or Surveill... by buckle8017 on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @04:32PM (#42939104)
Norway is Saudi Arabia with snow.

Their entire economy and society are structured around oil extraction.

There are no lessons to learn from Norway unless you live somewhere that oil does from the ground.

Re:Google Drops Pledge Not to Use AI for Weapons or Surveill... by Retric on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @12:01AM (#42944014)
Hardly per capita they export similar amounts of petroleum products, but Norway’s GDP is 80k/person vs 30k/person in Saudi Arabia. Norway exports slightly more/person but their production costs are significantly higher which offsets it.

The difference is Norway’s economy being far less dependent on petroleum which is only 40% of their exports.