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Re:The Nation Needs a Shipbuilding Revolution by mapt on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @08:42AM (#42932195)
Another alternative would be adopting South Korea and Japan into closer orbits the way we unconditionally support Israel. South Korea and Japan have strong commercial shipbuilding industries, which are just in the past few years going idle because China is subsidizing theirs more aggressively.
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Re:The Nation Needs a Shipbuilding Revolution by philwelch on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @11:57AM (#42935114)
The US alliances with SK and JP are much closer than the alliance with Israel. For instance we have American military forces permanently forward deployed to both of those countries, but none in Israel. We also have mutual defense treaties with Japan and SK, but not Israel.

The problem is that Korean and Japanese shipyards are far more vulnerable to Chinese attack than shipyards in North America would be. But Korean shipbuilding companies have been interested in buying and building shipyards in the US, which is helpful.

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Re:The Nation Needs a Shipbuilding Revolution by tsudonym on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @10:59AM (#42934059)
Biden considered Nippon Steel a national security threat so the Japanese are going to raise an eyebrow when the US Navy begs them to work on actual military ships
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Re:The Nation Needs a Shipbuilding Revolution by chrisco255 on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @11:42AM (#42934790)
They considered foreign ownership of U.S. Steel a national security threat. Rightfully so. It is a key industry and has to be fostered internally.
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Re:The Nation Needs a Shipbuilding Revolution by bluGill on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:59PM (#42936133)
The question is how to get U.S. Steel to invest in modern equipment and processes. U.S. steel is one of the companies that invested in more efficiency in their core processes and failed to be ready when new processes went from expensive to cheaper and better.
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Re:The Nation Needs a Shipbuilding Revolution by chrisco255 on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @01:38PM (#42936687)
Still not following why Japan needs to own it in order for that to occur. If we have a foreign dependency problem, the solution is not to add a different foreign dependency.
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Re:The Nation Needs a Shipbuilding Revolution by bluGill on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @04:05PM (#42938671)
Japan has the expertise needed. Managers, engineers and the like. There is nothing here that cannot be done by local management, but it will take time and effort to develop all the people.

If local management had any interest in improving they would have started years ago... So they all need to be kicked out (presumably anyone who did care was forced out over the years) and start over.

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Re:The Nation Needs a Shipbuilding Revolution by tsudonym on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @01:39PM (#42936710)
Cool. Japan will then not work on US Navy ships because it's a national security threat. Good luck.
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Re:The Nation Needs a Shipbuilding Revolution by chrisco255 on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @04:31PM (#42939080)
It should be obvious that alliances shift and you can't be dependent on your former world war rivals for war production, especially when you're supposed to be a world superpower.
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Re:The Nation Needs a Shipbuilding Revolution by eunos on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @09:24AM (#42932700)
Good luck with that after Nippon Steel controversy
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Re:The Nation Needs a Shipbuilding Revolution by chrisco255 on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @11:40AM (#42934752)
That was with regards to Nippon buying US Steel? Why is it necessary they own US steel production?
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Re:The Nation Needs a Shipbuilding Revolution by tokioyoyo on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @01:39PM (#42936700)
Not sure about SK, but headwinds in Japan are showing a political both-siding after all the backstabbing and increasing Chinese population throughout all prefectures in Japan. Rightfully so, I would say.
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