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Re:AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU by robin_reala on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @05:52AM (#42930806)
What are you talking about? Leaving aside your other random complaints that I don’t recognise, but can’t immediately link to, a basic lightbulb is less than €3 for a two-pack: https://www.ikea.com/de/en/p/solhetta-led-bulb-e14-250-lumen...
Re:AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU by cmenge on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @08:22AM (#42931962)
That's an LED though.

I understood he was referring to incandescent light bulbs, which have been largely regulated out of the market. So you now need to get an "Edison light bulb" which circumvenes regulation but costs significantly more.

Re:AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU by jillyboel on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @12:20PM (#42935509)
I'm confused. The US also banned incandescent lamps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_ligh...

> A ban covering most general service incandescent lamps took effect in the United States in 2023

So you can't even buy them in the US anymore, either. And cheap LEDs are available everywhere, with many color temperatures to choose from.

Re:AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU by cmenge on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @04:35AM (#42946155)
I wasn't aware of that, interesting, thanks.

Light temperature is one thing, but the spectrum is very different (which is essentially how it saves energy, almost all radiation emitted is a narrow band of visible light whereas an incandescent lamp produces a blackbody spectrum with a lot of radiation emitted in the infrared).

Also I notice a lot of color banding (not sure if that's the right term) with many cheap LEDs. I observe the same or at least a very similar phenomenon when watching DLP cinema projections.

Re:AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU by naabb on Tuesday February 04, 2025 @11:34AM (#42934635)
Good, that's the point. Price out the products that are bad for the environment. They are still there if you want to contribute to the degradation of the environment
Re:AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU by cmenge on Wednesday February 05, 2025 @04:32AM (#42946133)
"Bad for the environment" is relative.

The problem here is that they tell you: - We're building renewables which deliver super clean and cheap energy - CO2 is the root of all evil

Then, they force you to use an LED which uses less energy (which is clean and cheap, no?) but contains a lot more chemicals and rare earths, so in a number of ways seems less "environmentally friendly". This seems contradictory and half-assed.